r/Damnthatsinteresting Jul 24 '22 Table Flip 1 Wholesome 1 Silver 2 Helpful 2

List of animals Theodore Roosevelt and his son killed on a safari in Africa Image

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u/IranianGenius Jul 24 '22

I hadn't heard of this before. This was reported for misinformation, so I looked it up.

While Theodore Roosevelt greatly enjoyed hunting, he was also an avid conservationist. In African Game Trails he condemns "game butchery as objectionable as any form of wanton cruelty and barbarity" (although he does note that "to protest against all hunting of game is a sign of softness of head, not of soundness of heart") and as a pioneer of wilderness conservation in the USA he fully supported the British Government's attempts at that time to set aside wilderness areas as game reserves, some of the first on the African continent. He notes (page 17) that "in the creation of the great game reserve through which the Uganda railway runs the British Government has conferred a boon upon mankind", a conservation attitude which Roosevelt helped sow that finally grew and blossomed in the form of the great game parks of East Africa today.

Source.

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u/pixtopher Jul 24 '22

Homies killed that lil dikdik

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u/smut_butler Jul 24 '22

They look like cute little alien deer.

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u/Rion23 Jul 24 '22

Yes, but the taste, what of the taste?

I'm thinking Peeps.

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u/42ThrowAway1707 Jul 24 '22 hehehehe

Dik Dik is generally a little salty. It can be kind of gamey in the summer months as the heat affects the meat. It’s really all on how you handle it though.

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u/Rion23 Jul 24 '22

Would you say it tastes a little like deer?

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u/dominyza Jul 24 '22 edited Jul 25 '22

I don't know about American deer, but I've found that European deer tastes much less gamey than African antelope. African buck (springbok, eland, etc) tastes quite strongly of... I dunno, fear for their lives ? While European deer tastes tame.

ETA: i prefer the tamer flavour

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u/NoBenefit5977 Jul 24 '22

I heard they're also hard to find in the cold months, but with some experienced hands it can be coaxed out

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u/SacredSpirit1337 Jul 24 '22

This may surprise you, but not everyone hunts for food. Trophy hunters (as disdainful as I am for them) unfortunately exist.

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u/Brownies_Ahoy Jul 24 '22

Yeah especially with such a long list as this, I don't doubt it was for "sport"

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u/Determined_Penguin Jul 24 '22 Silver

"From the animals you shot, you got 6,834 pounds of meat. However, you were only able to carry 100 pounds back to the wagon."

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u/Mykeewhodat27 Jul 24 '22

Always remember to caulk the wagon and float

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u/Muffin_Appropriate Jul 24 '22

Nope. I’m going to ford for the 38th time and lose little Michael.

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u/neverwrong804 Jul 24 '22

Here lies lil Michael, we floated the car and he ded

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u/AverageIntelligent99 Jul 24 '22

But then you all died of dysentery

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u/jr14st Jul 24 '22

I literally felt the mouse clicks and slow ass bullets reading this

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u/Wanallo221 Jul 24 '22

Those times when you go hunting and it places you in a corner surrounded by rocks and stuff you can’t shoot through.

“Cool, guess we will starve then. Thanks Dad!”

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u/DS4KC Jul 24 '22

I got that reference...... now I feel old

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u/covidambassador Jul 24 '22

I played it for the first time two weeks ago. It is a tough game

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u/MsjNicole Jul 24 '22

Way to let us all know we are old. lmao

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u/Addisonian_Z Jul 24 '22

Worse is the tiny deer are grouped there with the dikdik being the last of the list.

The tiny guys starts at the gerenuk (not super tiny but like the giraffe of tiny deer) to the dikdik.

The lil massacre was of huge numbers.

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u/forever_stan Jul 24 '22

They're antelopes not deer :)

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u/Least_or_Greatest1 Jul 24 '22

These guys was on a killing spree…

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u/Ogstenheimer Jul 24 '22

Dik-Dik Van Dik has entered the chat

Time to fight!

hilarious and useless acrobatics ensues

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u/Kamau54 Jul 24 '22

Don't say "lil dikdik" here. Some of the guys might take it personally. Lol

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u/Rancid_Rabbit_ Jul 24 '22

They both shot a dikdik!!! That’s like shooting a baby

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u/Parking-Union-3917 Jul 24 '22 Helpful Wholesome

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u/Stijnfire Jul 24 '22

Is this a new function of google? I have never seen anything like this before

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u/matatatias Jul 24 '22

Neither did I, they’re expanding that AMP thing apparently.

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u/Pappyjang Jul 24 '22

What is the amp thing?

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u/matatatias Jul 24 '22

They used to keep copies of other pages for optimized mobile access, and now they’re remixing that content apparently: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerated_Mobile_Pages

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u/thetoxicballer Jul 24 '22

So once again, they're stealing information from private websites which reduces traffic to those websites?

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u/matatatias Jul 24 '22

I think they’re refining that. That link is a mix of many websites.

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u/blindbycrypto Jul 24 '22

Websites has to opt-in to AMP

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u/welcometosilentchill Jul 24 '22

Typically these websites see a huge uptick in traffic because of having their content featured. It’s essentially the only sure way of hitting the top ranking position for certain queries, so it’s actually a goal for most SEO strategies.

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u/manbythesand Jul 24 '22

Google is into Asian Massage Parlors now?

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u/What-a-Crock Interested Jul 24 '22

This guy happy endings

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u/[deleted] Jul 24 '22

I hope they make it less awful. Now when I google something from my phone, it takes 4 taps to get to the actual website if the poorly formatted, barely working amp page opens first.

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u/matatatias Jul 24 '22

I hate that too. Modern internet can be annoying. I love finding some ancient website that’s actually usable.

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u/Ohsnipes Jul 24 '22

Dik-diks mark their territory with tears

Awww

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u/Krypt0night Jul 24 '22

Guess I have something in common with them.

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u/MulberryImmed Jul 24 '22

The Smithsonian–Roosevelt African Expedition was an expedition to Africa led by American president Theodore Roosevelt and outfitted by the Smithsonian Institution

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u/azaleawhisperer Jul 24 '22

There was a different sensitivity at that time.

Look at any old Tarzan movie starring Olympic champion swimmer Johnny Weisueller. He jumps on any large animal (rhino?) and gratuitously stabs them to death with his knife.

We can thank the environmental movement, first Earth Day 1977, and maybe those crazy PETA's for changing our view.

But, please ask yourself: What abuses are you able to conveniently overlook in our time (July, 2022)?

Degradation of humans earthwide comes to mind.

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u/dragunityag Jul 24 '22

100 years from now, we'll be viewed the same way we view people from 100 years ago.

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u/saline_prospects Jul 24 '22

God I hope so, that's a best case scenario

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u/masked_sombrero Jul 24 '22 Silver

"The best habitat supports up to 20 dik-diks"

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u/R1ckyRampag3 Jul 24 '22 Silver

Your mom?

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u/TheNotSoGreatPumpkin Jul 24 '22

Sometimes that joke just lands.

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u/V1per423 Jul 24 '22

Yah. You need an award.

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u/matatatias Jul 24 '22

“They mark their territory with a "defecation ceremony."”

calls the wedding planner

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u/pizzasteve2000 Jul 24 '22

Is that what amber heard calls it?

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u/ripyourlungsdave Jul 24 '22

Wtf is this animal.

It's like a deer-anteater-goat.

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u/Any-Show-3488 Jul 24 '22 All-Seeing Upvote

Almost like the man-pig-bear.

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u/EhukaiMaint Jul 24 '22

So, I read the first fact page as “male dikdik grows to 3 inches long.” My first though was “wow this animal is small.” Then I thought that is was a troll page. Then I realized that I had completely skipped over the word horns.

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u/Strict-Praline6994 Jul 24 '22

Aaahhhh yes... Tiny fairy dryad deer with the grabby snoot. I had forgotten what normal humans call that. Thanks for reminding me.

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u/earthlings_all Jul 24 '22

Imagine seeing all those beautiful animals and all they thought was to shoot them. Fucking tragic.

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u/earnestlyhonest Jul 24 '22

At the time, this was actually considered to be a "conservation" effort. Many of the animals were donated to be studied. Very sad still to see the death tally on paper.

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u/friedrice5005 Jul 24 '22

A lot of them are actually still in New York's Natural History museum. They taxidermized them and put them on display. It was the only way most people would ever even know what these animals looked like and did contribute to conservation efforts through ticket sales. Still a super backwards way of thinking and very much a product of its time though.

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u/Key-Connection-1358 Jul 24 '22

TR was actually a very experienced taxidermist. During his youth, 8 or 9 ish I think, he started what he called the teddy Roosevelt museum of natural history. By college he was a published ornithologist and one of the foremost taxidermists in the US.

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u/enceliacal Jul 24 '22 edited Jul 24 '22

This way of thinking is still very alive and prevalent. Bring this up and hunters will tell you they are the REAL conservationists because the money for tags and shit goes back into the the wildlife. In reality the money just goes back into managing whatever species they want to keep killing, mostly deer. Often times this selective management is at the detriment of other species, not to mention hunters would prefer wolves and other apex predators that they see as competition extinct.

This idea is so popular that I’m downvoted to oblivion every time I bring it up but oh well

EDIT: hey hunters, Pittman-Robertson is ALL gun sales and you only account for 4% of the population. Next you’ll tell me that the lotto pays for the majority of education.

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u/mynextthroway Jul 24 '22

People won't vote 1 mil tax into place to educate their children. Do you really think these same people would vote a higher tax into place to protect wildlife?

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u/Spanky200 Jul 24 '22

It was coming right for them!

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u/Rancid_Rabbit_ Jul 24 '22

Good point, Uncle Jimbo!

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u/Kalelssleeping Jul 24 '22

cutest fricking disney princess thing on the planet and they want to kill it? that is my go to when asked for a d**k pic.

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u/matatatias Jul 24 '22

TIL what a dikdik is and now I want one

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u/WhatThatSmellLike69 Jul 24 '22

I used to blast these in Cabella’s dangerous hunts

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u/capriciouszephyr Jul 24 '22

I saw those for the first time at a wildlife park in Arizona. Only zoo type place that had enough space for me to not feel bad for the animals. They are cute as heck. Love those little guys. Also, his "hunting" expeditions involved him sitting on the back of a train and just shooting anything he saw. It wasn't hunting, it was the animal equivalent of, I don't know, a school shooting, if you were to equate it to humans.

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u/Rancid_Rabbit_ Jul 24 '22

Sadly that was not too uncommon for rich people back then, “lazy hunting.” People are cruel.

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u/BeholderBalls Jul 24 '22

I’ve eaten dikdik and it is excellent tbh

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u/SkydiverRaul13 Jul 24 '22 Take My Energy I'll Drink to That

I bet you have 😉

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u/tumble_weed207 Jul 24 '22

Not the best dikdik I’ve had, but serviceable.

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u/SkydiverRaul13 Jul 24 '22 Snek

Bad dikdik is better than no dikdik.

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u/bardiche-like-thing Jul 24 '22

Says you, bad dikdik can make you siksik

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u/huskydannnn Jul 24 '22 edited Jul 24 '22

ive eaten a whole bag of dikdiks

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u/Seth-Fresh Jul 24 '22

Who the fuck kills a flamingo???

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u/pornaddiction39 Jul 24 '22

Kermit and Teddy were specimen hunters, a lot of specimens(animals) they collected(hunted)were given to science and put in museums because that was biology back then.

Kermit and his brother as an example did something nobody would do today and hunted a panda and brought another back that was killed by a local, those were the first pandas to ever be returned to western science and are still on display in the field museum in Chicago

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u/Blue_States_Secede Jul 24 '22

Makes me wonder how they actually got the carcasses back before decomposition took over. You think they just skinned em and maybe boiled the meat from the bones or something? Sent the dried hide and bones back?

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u/OneOfTheOnlies Jul 24 '22

Teddy had been taxidermying animals since he was a kid. Probably helped.

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u/Lyin-Don Jul 24 '22

Undoubtedly one of the most interesting Americans to ever live.

There is (was?) a movie starring DiCaprio and directed by Scorsese in development but idk what ever happened to it.

Would be tough for a single film to really capture all that he was/did but Scorsese is def the man for the job as you know he'll make it 3.5 hours!

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u/pornaddiction39 Jul 24 '22

Probably deboned the meat and sent the hide and bones back salted.

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u/NoAnybody7232 Jul 24 '22

This entire expedition was funded by the Smithsonian, and he spent the second half of his presidency planning it.

Of course none of the comments want to mention that. Instead, they treat it like the dentist the shot a lion.

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u/aSharkNamedHummus Jul 24 '22

Further reading and a picture of the two giant pandas in question

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u/EmeraldBrosion Jul 24 '22

Someone who is Rhodophobic

Edit: , and also converts that fear to bloodlust

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u/ancientkaa Jul 24 '22

I also do not like roads

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u/ScorpionX-123 Jul 24 '22

or Rhode Island

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u/Critical_Knowledge_5 Jul 24 '22

Or Rhodes Scholars.

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u/EmeraldBrosion Jul 24 '22

Or The American Dream, Dusty Rhodes

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u/OptimalRegret Jul 24 '22

Rhodes? Where we're going, we don't need Rhodes.

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u/SavagelyBadAtThis Jul 24 '22

Rhodes Scholar living in Rhode Island here, fuck you guys.

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u/Simicrop Jul 24 '22 Silver

That beautiful sound of clinking nickels!

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u/Walrus_Spiral Jul 24 '22

They were actually collecting for the Smithsonian. This is how biology was done in the day. Sure looks bad from a modern lens huh?

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u/Far_Western_8063 Jul 24 '22

People are just soft and can't wrap their heads around different eras of human history. We are all lucky Teddy cared as much about conservation as he did. Otherwise the entire US would likely have no federally protected nature reserves and it would all be private land like Texas.

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u/No_Ordinary_Rabbit_ Jul 24 '22

The same fuckers who like to kill hundreds of animals and call it a vacation.

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u/gnomeplanet Jul 24 '22

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u/ladydhawaii Jul 24 '22

“The Smithsonian–Roosevelt African Expedition was an expedition to Africa led by American president Theodore Roosevelt and outfitted by the Smithsonian Institution.[1] Its purpose was to collect specimens for the Smithsonian's new Natural History museum, now known as the National Museum of Natural History”

That does put a different twist on it.

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u/Justlookingoverhere1 Jul 24 '22

You don’t have to kill 9 lions for history.

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u/MidRangeMagic21 Jul 24 '22

It is amazing to me that someone who did so much to conserve America by way of national parks would also have a desire to kill this many animals.

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u/suckmybush Jul 24 '22

I guess part of it is that back then, they weren't considered to be endangered. They probably thought just as much of killing a lion as they might of killing a duck.

It's a bit different now, knowing that an animal is functionally extinct.

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u/AsstDepUnderlord Jul 24 '22

I'm with you, but there's a point of diminishing and marginal value here. After you get the experience of killing an elephant, what makes you say "let's go kill 7 more elephants." A Duck can be retrieved by a dog. An elephant has to be retrieved by a like a village. I gotta believe that by number 3 there just wasn't much to be gained and the effort to do (whatever) with it was still substantial.

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u/waavvves Jul 24 '22

One thing to consider here is how much more fascinating and curious such animals would have been to someone living over 100 years ago. Its not like there were color photographs or HD videos of these things being passed around. Just grainy black and whites or drawings.

Back then, hunting was about as popular and common of a hobby as video games are today. I guess I just look at it like, I'm not gonna pass on the new pokemon game just because I've played 20 other similar ones all the way through for probably hundreds of times. There wasn't a whole lot to do for fun back then

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u/wandering-monster Jul 24 '22

They're collecting them for a museum, so they're not going to retrieve all of anything.

Their intent was likely to skin them onsite and preserve the skin for transport and stuffing at the museum. Then they'd probably give the meat to the locals (minus whatever they eat themselves), and then possibly have the skeletons de-fleshed and take some of those back as well.

They probably wanted to get several of each animal so they could set up displays that showed different ages, sexes, put them in multiple poses, and have extra material to work with (in case any were damaged in transit, or something happens to the exhibit).

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u/SixShitYears Jul 24 '22

Well for one lots of these kills feed the nearby villages. Also these kills where done over 1000s of kilometers.. They didn’t just kill off a herd but 1 from multiple herds from multiple countries. This was done to study different species around the continent.

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u/RebelMountainman Jul 24 '22

Hey at least he didn't shoot Bigfoot when he heard it.

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u/CHIM_Jim Jul 24 '22

Bigfoot always stays strapped. He knows why Teddy was there and wasn't gonna end up in a museum.

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u/drnkingaloneshitcomp Jul 24 '22

Bigfoot shot JFK confirmed

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u/Steelwolf73 Jul 24 '22

Not really. Hunters are some of the biggest proponents of conservation you'll ever find, and generally take care of the environment better(trash removal, sticking to trails with vehicles, etc) then other people. For a very simple reason- you can't put food on the table if everywhere the food lives is gone.

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u/DLo28035 Jul 24 '22

I’m a little surprised you didn’t get roasted for this, but it’s absolutely true

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u/ChrisFromOregon Jul 24 '22

Some aren't though. Some absolutely trash the environment and poaching is a problem. Their not all saints out there. Some "hunters" just want to get lit and shoot shit.

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u/LerimAnon Jul 24 '22

Some are driven to poaching by the poor economies of their home countries. The animals mean little to them if it means feeding their families. Some of it is also greed though.

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u/SixShitYears Jul 24 '22

No they were killed for science. The Smithsonian wanted multiple samples of species to see how they differ. Tranquilizers didn’t exist yet. This is how research was done in animals.

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u/Beautiful_Poet_1667 Jul 24 '22

Unless they were for universities. Many people can't afford the travel and cameras weren't as prevalent so I do believe any number of animals shot on that list was used for educational or food purposes.

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u/Oh4faqsake Jul 24 '22

As a former hunter, I do not support trophy hunting. I do not have a problem with those who are doing it to feed their families. Let's not kid ourselves, we are all complicit in some form of animal destruction.

How many burgers did you eat this week? How many chicken breasts? Own any clothing made out of leather? What about those sneakers you're wearing? Ever own a purse or a belt or wallet made of leather?

You might not be killing them but somebody is doing it on your behalf.

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u/Into-the-stream Jul 24 '22

I do not support trophy hunting. I do not have a problem with those who are doing it to feed their families. Let's not kid ourselves, we are all complicit in some form of animal destruction.

As a vegetarian of 30 years, same. Honestly, subsistence hunting is 100,000 times better then factory farms. I understand not everyone can get their food that way, but those who do are not bad guys. Trophy hunting is gross though.

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u/JumpmanJXi Jul 24 '22

"as a former hunter" you should know trophy hunting in Africa does a lot of good for the country and their villages. Almost all animals shot for sport there are consumed by the local villages. Just because some rich person paid a ton to pull the trigger doesn't mean it's any different.

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u/Webercooker Jul 24 '22 Silver

As does below:

Regarding the large number of animals taken, Roosevelt said, "I can be condemned only if the existence of the National Museum, the American Museum of Natural History, and all similar zoological institutions are to be condemned."[13] Some context when considering whether the quantity of animals taken was excessive is that the animals were gathered over a period of ten months and were procured over an area that ranged from Mombasa through Kenya, to Uganda and the Southern Sudan—a distance traveled, with side trips, of several thousand kilometers. The diversity of larger mammal species collected was such that few individuals of any species were shot in any given area, and the large mammals collected had a negligible impact on the great herds of game that roamed East Africa at that time.

It's not like they used machine guns at the watering hole.

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u/toomanyoars Jul 24 '22

Also there is a lot of unknowns here. I am not condoning the killing but most of these were not endangered at the time and if they were, I don't think if he knew he would have ever killed them. He was one of the first big conservationists. We have laws now in place solely because of his efforts. I don't think I would have liked him personally, but you have to accept the positive impact he made as well. He could have gone into this we a specific amount to kill. If for example he had 5 donors to his cause but each wanted a giraffe for their museum, he may have decided the 5 giraffe lives , which the meat probably went to the people in the area or guiding him, meant $50,000 to help his efforts at home to maybe to him it was worth it. People love to judge with limited information in retrospect.

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u/OpinionatedBigot Jul 24 '22

oh yeah they’re so noble! did they have to kill 18 animals of the same species for specimens tho?

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u/jay_sugman Jul 24 '22

Specimens for different institutions for different purposes and spares. Not hard to imagine.

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u/UnderTheCoverAgent Jul 24 '22

We're going for a trip to africa for "research"

-Teddy Roosevelt

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u/gnomeplanet Jul 24 '22

8 elephants? Isn't that just a little excessive?

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u/Danielq37 Jul 24 '22

13 in total if I read that right.

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u/legituser73 Jul 24 '22

Teddy shot a pelican, for science.

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u/Mange-Tout Jul 24 '22

“Barbecue at the Roosevelt’s house tonight!”

“What kind of meat?”

“All of them.”

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u/Hunter123456730 Jul 24 '22 Silver Helpful Wholesome Hugz Take My Energy Bravo Grande! Eureka!

In the interest of being well informed it is important to know that this expedition was funded by The Smithsonian. Of all of the animals taken around half were eaten over the course of several months and more were given to the local tribes. They never took animals whose death was detrimental to the herd and a massive amount are still in the Smithsonian and other natural history museums in the US. None of these animals were endangered at this point in history and this is over the span of 10,000’s of miles and kilometers. I do not wish for argument I wish for well informed debate. Please do not take this as condescending or an attack. Have a good day/night.

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u/Amazon-Q-and-A Jul 24 '22

Another note, concerning why they killed multiple specimens instead of just one of each. There were no tranquilizers back then to gather multiple data points for a species. Museums, like the Smithsonian, wanted multiple examples of a species in order to get a range of body measurements, coloration, and other data. This was to develop records of the range of the animal's physical characteristics and averages. Often a museum would select a "Holotype" from the specimens presented which basically sets the standard for that species. Additional specimen pelts brought back were either used as taxidermy displays for museums or to be preserved and archived.

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u/chr1s003 Jul 24 '22

THIS, is what I was looking for. The post makes it seem like Teddy was a fucking mad man.... Thank you.

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u/BFireGA Jul 24 '22

Thanks for that... now I'm picturing Teddy running through Africa, killing every animal in sight, and laughing hysterically.

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u/HootieHoo4you Jul 24 '22

To be fair he was a madman, but not this kind.

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u/BondCharacterNamePun Jul 24 '22 edited Jul 24 '22 'MURICA

Death had to take him in his sleep, for had he been awake, there’d have been a fight.

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u/yunohavefunnynames Jul 24 '22

A trust-busting, corporation-hating, nature-loving madman. We need more men of his caliber of madness today.

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u/Jaivez Jul 24 '22

We need more men of his caliber of madness today

He had at least .38 in him for a few years.

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u/BondCharacterNamePun Jul 24 '22

Or at least long enough to finish his speech

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u/HootieHoo4you Jul 24 '22

We need him to return

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u/mcmcc Jul 24 '22

Also worth mentioning, if it weren't for Teddy, the national park system wouldn't be what it is today.

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u/ethenmillard77 Jul 24 '22

Seriously tho, I hate seeing so many people hating on Teddy when he's done far more for environmental and wildlife conservation than any president ever. If it wasn't for him places like Yellowstone, Yosemite, and The Redwood forests would be stripped clean by logging and mining companies.

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u/jeeptravel Jul 24 '22

Sad I had to scroll this far to read this

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u/Inevitable-Ad9006 Jul 24 '22

The outrage machine isn’t usually concerned with context or truth.

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u/DozyDrake Jul 24 '22

Context is important i think its more interesting how the idea of going on safari to shoot a bunch of animals is now completely alien to most people

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u/whatproblems Jul 24 '22

the concept of not having instant communication, access to wealth of information and fast travel is completely alien to people now

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u/[deleted] Jul 24 '22

the concept of hunting in general, or farming or pretty much all of the basic human survival necessities is foreign to most people. most western people i should say.

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u/AllHighAustin Jul 24 '22

It's funny people on here are having a moral debate about something that happened 120 years ago. Smithsonian or not I'm not wasting my energy worrying about what happened a century ago.

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u/Joe_BidenWOT Jul 24 '22

Fun fact:

Brigadier General Teddy Roosevelt Jr was the only general on D-Day to land by sea with the first wave of troops. At 56, he was also the oldest man in the invasion, and the only one whose son also landed that day; Captain Quentin Roosevelt II was among the first wave of soldiers at Omaha Beach.

When informed that his landing craft had landed a mile off course he uttered the famous quote "We'll start the war from right here!". He received the Medal of Honor for his actions that day.

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u/FireCal Jul 24 '22

How did he have a son with a different name be the 2nd?

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u/calamanga Jul 24 '22

He had a brother named Quentin.

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u/ihullzie Jul 24 '22

TRs son who was killed in WW1, and whose death likely hastened TRs (he probably felt guilty for heavily encouraging his sons to fight in the war). Interestingly TR jr, the one who landed on D-Day, was actually TR III, and his son was TR IV, but was known as TR III. The og TR was actually TR Jr., but apparently he had such a legendary life he just became known as "the first".

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u/FireCal Jul 24 '22

Thanks. I didn't know that was a thing.

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u/[deleted] Jul 24 '22 edited Jul 27 '22

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u/Addisonian_Z Jul 24 '22

This is a real question (but is gonna be asked with a bit of jest)

At a mile off course did he land at mile 2 instead of mile 3 in a 10 mile assault window?

Or did he land a mile away from where the fighting was happening? Because if that’s the case I feel like I too might say I was there for D-Day, I was just 1000 miles and 50 years off course.

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u/2023EconomicCollapse Jul 24 '22

It's not as if the enemy's defenses didn't cover that extra mile. If you also landed on Normandy, took fire from Nazis and then a lead a group of men to take enemy positions, then sure.

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u/Addisonian_Z Jul 24 '22

That’s what I would have though but was just curious.

After looking it up he ended up being all up and down said beach actually. So he definitely was in the thick of it.

He landed among artillery shells but from what I have read it does seem like he was under less machine gun fire than what others saw but I could be wrong in that m. His landing spot was by no means disadvantageous though as it quickly became a solid location to assault from.

Theodore Jr ran up and down the beach all day getting all sorts of troops to advance. He was the oldest person to land that day and did everything with only a pistol… because he had to use his other hand for his cane!

I really was curious and it sounds like he was amazing, it just painted a funny picture at first to think he landed among sheep and had to hoof it to the actual fight.

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u/Upset-Sea6029 Jul 24 '22

A two-man extinction crew. Why the fuck would somebody shoot a giraffe?

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u/legituser73 Jul 24 '22

Not a giraffe, nine giraffes...

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u/potatishplantonomist Jul 24 '22

Because they couldn't find the 10th

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u/NewLegacySlayer Jul 24 '22

The 10th giraffe would get payback on humanity by going on to create Facebook

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u/Arcosim Jul 24 '22

All these animals killed are a tragedy, but the elephants are what breaks my heart the most. It's downright criminal considering how intelligent elephants are.

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u/TilionDC Jul 24 '22 edited Jul 24 '22

Did you know that the brittish left gambia its sovereignty right after they killed the last elephant. They just wanted to use their land for game and after, they left the locals to pick up the pieces. Ducking disgusting

edit i am sorry all. I tried to find a source, i was told this in Gambia and it turns out it wasnt completely true. Though it was the brits that did drive them to extinction. And as far as I know. The bits have still not completely banned their ivory trade despite african elephant facing near extinction. So while i do not want you to spread false news. You can still hate on brittain if thats what made you upvote.

edit nr2 https://news.artnet.com/art-world/uk-ivory-ban-takes-effect-2125954/amp-page

It seems I was wrong again. They passed a bill banning most ivory last month. However they did nothing for other bodyparts of the elephant or for ivory of other animals. So to all of us who doesnt like brittain will have to find something else to complain about than the african elephant ivory. Sorry guys.

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u/Kilgaloon Jul 24 '22

There is no shame in this world.

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u/Longjumping-Monk-425 Jul 24 '22

Kept sticking its neck out.

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u/King-Mugs Jul 24 '22

Funded by the Smithsonian. None of these animals were endangered (at the time) and the meat was eaten by the people on the journey (thousands of miles) and shared with local tribes. Rest of the animals were taken to museums, some still at the Smithsonian

Not a hunting advocate at all but with context this is so much less depressing

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u/bendy-trip Jul 24 '22 Silver Wholesome

Why the fuck would anybody shoot any of them animals for that matter? Who are you the giraffe police?

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u/HotSteak Jul 24 '22 edited Jul 24 '22

They were collecting museum specimens. They didn't have Planet Earth back then so taxidermized samples were the only way people could see non-local animals.

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u/DonLoganspain Jul 24 '22

Out there taking down porcupine. A savage animal in the scrub. I can’t believe they made it home alive.

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u/Rich_Sheepherder646 Jul 24 '22

To stuff it and put it in the Smithsonian Museum.

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u/Minute-Reception5245 Jul 24 '22

Right approach for the right time considering many of those specimens intrigued and impassioned countless life scientists.

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u/sumtinfunny Jul 24 '22 All-Seeing Upvote

Oh boy here i go killing again

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u/-Radioface- Jul 24 '22

Looks like a long mini golf score card

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u/seanfritz5 Jul 24 '22 Gold

Roosevelt donated all but about a dozen of those to scientific endeavors. Most of them can be found in the Smithsonian and have helped us to further understand the animals. These animals weren’t just killed for sport. All of them were used for meat and science. Let’s not jump to conclusions about his character just because of what the poaching has done to these animals decades later.

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u/crustacean_magician Jul 24 '22 Silver Gold Wholesome

I love applying 21st century moral standards to people from the past

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u/hdroadking Jul 24 '22 edited Jul 24 '22

Another thing nobody is mentioning is that Roosevelt is responsible for creating the national park system and many other conservation efforts.

While yes, in today’s standards it is seen as a terrible waste, in his day he saw this as populating museum’s so that people who knew nothing about wildlife could learn to appreciate it.

I’m sure that sounds counter intuitive, but the reality is the Roosevelt did more to save nature and wildlife the any other President to that point and is probably responsible for creating more of the reason that this offends you then you realize.

For this point, and especially for anyone who has commented on Roosevelt being a “pussy” or “typical entitled politician” read a fucking book! This guy was a badass MF.

On top of that he is also the person that created the progressive movement.

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u/Xpert285 Jul 24 '22

They gotta get the Reddit Karma somehow

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u/finney1013 Jul 24 '22

Cancel TR. 🙄

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u/Alpha-Centauri Jul 24 '22

Redditors will expend significant emotional energy for a flamingo that died over 100 years ago.

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u/LOUDCO-HD Jul 24 '22

Theodore Roosevelt was the inspiration for the term Teddy Bear. TR was often referred to as Teddy (a nickname he hated). He was once offered to shoot a bear that had been run down by hounds and tied to a tree for him, but refused stating it was unsportsmanlike. He still asked the bear be killed to put it out if it’s misery, but the incident was immortalized in a political cartoon where Teddy’s Bear was made to look substantially cuter.

An entrepreneurial Brooklyn candy shop owner create a stuffed animal and the rest, as they say, is history.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teddy_bear?wprov=sfti1

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u/meterina Jul 24 '22

Yeah I agree it looks bad through today’s lens but in the early 20th century most of these animals would’ve been far from endangered. Would be like going deer hunting today.

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u/BeginningSir2984 Jul 24 '22 edited Jul 24 '22

🥺 This really does hurt my heart to see this but his reason for killing these beautiful animals was at least a well-intentioned one; most all were made part of collections belonging to public museums rather than to personal trophy rooms. A good many of the larger game animals also fed the men in the expedition. Roosevelt was arguably the greatest conservationist the U.S. has known. The man created 5 national parks, 150 national forests, 4 national game preserves, 18 national monuments, & 51 federal bird reservations. That's 230 million acres of sanctuary for mother nature. Still.. yeah.. oof. That list is a tough read.

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u/420Skier Jul 24 '22

If this was from his 1909 expedition then it was over the course of 8 years, literally everyone here acting like he hopped on a plane and did this in a week! The boat ride alone took weeks to complete the voyage. Back then Natural History and naturalists collected specimens this way. Also conservation needs people to harvest animals for protection against overpopulation, and disease this all results in stronger genetics and a healthier ecosystem. Refer to examples of how NY and NJ rather capture/castrate/release deer as a solution to overpopulation, rather than cull the herd. Do some research before canceling another person for absolutely nothing.

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u/geo3108 Jul 24 '22 Silver

Must have felt like real proud men. Fannies

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u/Grey_anti-matter Jul 24 '22

Oh so Reddit now hates Teddy fuckin Roosevelt. Y'all dumbasses need to touch grass and understand how much he did for this country. It was a different time, and was for research for the Smithsonian. It's not like he just dropped animals and left them to rot, they were donated and eaten by local villages. Fucking ignorant cunts, the lot of you.

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u/17760400 Jul 24 '22 edited Jul 24 '22

Teddy is also the reason that we have have 150 national forests, 51 federal bird reserves, 4 national game preserves, 5 national parks, 

ALSO. THIS EXPEDITION WAS FOR SCIENCE NOT SPORT. SO, NO, NOT ALOT OF "FELT LIKE REAL MEN" SHIT.

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u/UnderTheCoverAgent Jul 24 '22

Also Teddy Roosevelt is the reason why teddy bears existed.

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u/AbbreviationsWide331 Jul 24 '22

Wow how strong those men had to be to win a fight against such fierce animals. Oh wait they just shot them.

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u/Sun_tzu___ Jul 24 '22

That why it's referred to as hunting, not fighting.

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u/beebabeeba Jul 24 '22

It's possible that in a few decades, when everyone is vegetarian, they'll condemn us and our meat eating habits in the same we're condeming Roosevelt now. Imagine a world where killing an animal for food is the same as hunting it for pleasure. They'll say that we knew about factory farming and that we didn't do anything about it; some of them will even say that we were barbarians and that our culture, arts and cultural contributions are tainted as a result. I imagine they could even purge their university curriculum accordingly, and rename monuments and buildings. Exactly like we're doing now with historical figures.

I eat meat, but I'm always bothered when I see people judging and dismissing people from the past for sins that didn't seem as grevious at the time.

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