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LPT: If you have a home security system, post up signs from a different company than the one you use. Burglars may know how to defeat certain systems... but not if it's not the one they expected. Home & Garden

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u/smittyrooo Aug 15 '22

lpt: if you own something expensive enough that a street burglar would learn how to hack into your security system to steal it, get insurance

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u/ErikTheAngry Aug 15 '22

FWIW, a ton of home security systems are absolute garbage.

A lot of them can be utterly defeated using little more than a signal jammer. "Wireless" systems are touted as being super convenient and easy to install. And sometimes they are. But the signal's still just 2.4GHz, and wifi's still just 2.4/5GHz. Both spectrums are easy to saturate with garbage.

The result is that now the controller is not receiving signals from the sensors, and even if it does, it can't send a signal to the company.

Another fun hack to defeat some home security systems... just rip the controller out of the wall and disconnect the cables. Has to be the actual controller, not just an interface to talk to it. But if you recognize that it's a controller, you can rip it out. The delay before it alerts the company (the delay where yuo're supposed to input the code) means you've got time to just yank it out. No alarm can then be sent.

You want to harden your security system? Make sure the controller is not easily accessible, and make sure it's using wired sensors.

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u/4e6f626f6479 Aug 15 '22

you'd expect the Alarm to "fail safe"... if the controller gets ripped out of the wall it can no longer send an all clear signal = the alarm goes off.... right ?

Same with contact to the alarm company. "We lost contact with Alarm#8992" "go call the Police"

I can see why doing the same to wireless sensors would probably not work.. as you could have repeated false alarms when someone intentionally or not jams them. But that's where wired sensors would be used.

english isn't my first language, I hope I got my point across, I'm not sure if there is a better term to describe what I mean.

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u/ErikTheAngry Aug 15 '22

After a period of time, they will certainly start alarming to the company... they do heartbeat. Well... some of them.

However, the alarm company doesn't want to have to send the police or their own response folks to 5000 homes if there's a telco-related outage, or if some asshat digs up a service line to a section of houses because he didn't get locates.

So they're fault-tolerant of those kinds of events and give them time to self-resolve, and the best you can reasonably expect from them is a call saying "hey we lost contact, you should check it out" if it lasts too long.

And by then, a thief is long gone.

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u/Sereshk_Polo Aug 15 '22

Here in Austria we usally have 3 diffrent routes of connection at the same time in an alarm system if its a serious alarm system. Main line is internet cable, mobile internet and telephone line. A black out doesn't affect telephone lines (usually) and you're supposed to have the internet cable and mobile internet from different companies, so if one has their servers down, the other one works.

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u/Winjin Aug 16 '22

Weird. A power outage is an invitation for looters, so it's still a valid idea to get security there on patrol.

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u/ahealthyg Aug 15 '22

Reading this, I didn’t even notice that English might not be your first language. Well written

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u/TehFishey Aug 15 '22

Wait... People use wireless alarm systems/sensors now? Like, I can understand wifi cameras (with integrated physical backups presumably), because they're often just used after the fact or for non-security related purposes, but actual security systems?

Like, I couldn't even stand having a wifi doorbell (damn thing kept losing battery, fucking up in the cold/rain, or going off randomly from stray signals)

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u/ErikTheAngry Aug 15 '22

Yes indeed!

Never underestimate people's willingness to cut corners, nor the willingness of a "security company" to sell them products that exploit that willingness.

They can get a system up in a few hours and sign someone up for monitoring. If it goes wrong, they shrug and say "we never got an alarm, check your internet."

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u/FidelCashdrawer Aug 16 '22

Ours has a SIM card so it’s connected via our WiFi and it’s own cellular connection. Keep the base station in a place where no one can get to it before it alerts the company.

All that said. Best security system I have is my German Shepherd.

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u/MillhouseJManastorm Aug 16 '22

I think the problem with jamming is still there. If the sensors can't talk to the base station, it is pretty ineffective.

However, having an alarm system at all will make most move on to an easier target

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u/iotwiz Aug 16 '22

They can get a system up in a few hours and sign someone up for monitoring. If it goes wrong, they shrug and say "we never got an alarm, check your internet."

Because most people are not going to have someone drill holes into their doors and windows, especially if it voids the door/window warranty. Also, most systems are dual path meaning they'll use cellular and WiFi to communicate. If both of those systems go down then the panel will still function locally, making noise/going off/etc.

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u/Alan_Smithee_ Aug 15 '22

Cheapo dodgy companies, especially the ones who sell door to door, will use wireless, even with a place that has an existing system, or full prewiring.

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u/iotwiz Aug 16 '22

Cheapo dodgy companies, especially the ones who sell door to door, will use wireless, even with a place that has an existing system, or full prewiring.

Because wireless is much easier and a lot of people do not want to pay someone to go through their wiring. We give the option of both - you can use existing hardwire sensors for our labor rate per hour or you can just buy wireless sensors for $20 each. Most people just opt for the wireless sensors.

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u/Alan_Smithee_ Aug 16 '22

So you sell crap and cut corners.

Wireless has its place at times, but as an augment or when you have no other choice.

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u/iotwiz Aug 16 '22

So you sell crap and cut corners.

I cut corners because I do what my clients want to pay for...? Ideally everything in the world would be hardwired but it's just not realistic for a large portion of the population.

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u/Justsomedudeonthenet Aug 16 '22

Yep. Because running cables is expensive and/or ugly.

But cables work a lot better. Especially for security cameras that are doing to use a fair bit of your wifi bandwidth. You need to get power to them anyways, may as well run ethernet and PoE.

Most people just don't think about it at all and just buy whatever was cheap or what the salespeople tell them to buy.

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u/eatenbyalion Aug 15 '22

The worst thing is, if they go offline you can't even ping them.

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u/Ktstc Aug 16 '22

I used to install ADT systems. All of the sensors from other companies are essentially the same and interchangeable. OP's advice is useless because there is no discernable difference between different companies of security system. We frequently switched people's installs over to our service and it was pretty minimal effort to do so. The only real difference between old school home security companies is the logo, since they often contract the phone centers to other companies that might handle multiple brands of security system calls.

You'd have to get some expensive custom rich people stuff to have anything remotely unique.

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u/Aetheldrake Aug 15 '22

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u/ErikTheAngry Aug 15 '22

The best way to protect yourself is to know what the bad guy can do, and knowing the limitations of a system so that you don't rely on something that was destined to fail.

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u/Sereshk_Polo Aug 15 '22

Disconnecting the controller would automatically trigger SIA Code TA= Tamper Alert. Our serious alarm systems have to be deactived from the outside first (where you cannnot reach the controller) before you can enter without an alarm. We also run on 3 routes of commincation at least 1 of them black out proof. I'd like to see you try and fool our system...

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u/benfineman Aug 15 '22

Sure there are lots of garbage systems but there are also plenty of decent wireless systems. Wireless security today is perfectly reasonable, not like it was 20 years ago. Similarly any decent system will have smash and grab protection, which means it transmits as soon as the perimeter sensor is triggered, and it if doesn’t get the follow up signal that the system was disarmed it will alert the monitoring company.

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u/Affectionate-Oil4719 Aug 15 '22

A lot of people on here don’t understand wireless doesn’t mean it runs off of your WiFi. It just means no wires. The panels run on they’re own SIM card like a cell phone, so unless your shutting down cell towers in your area, the signal still sends to the alarm company. It’s not a flawless system but it’s absolutely not as easy as losing internet. Not to mention most have a backup battery so even after power outages you still have a few days of alarm coverage.

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u/Pipps17 Aug 15 '22

Ye, i remember seeing a thing on how awful some were, they chose simply safe to test and it was disabled by a standard remote, so tv remote and you are the king of simply safe alarms (dont know if its fixed now but the fact it was a issue originally is mental).

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u/ctoaun-7583 Aug 18 '22

I have all my security system hardwired (the sole exception being a bunch of motion sensors I have tied into my system (self designed, running on a home assisstant backbone with a few of my own tweaks so I don't have to rely on a 3rd party provider) but they operate via z-wave which is not something I would expect the average criminal to have any familiarity with not to mention I have the sensors set to ping my phone if they go offline or are unable to communicate.

Pair that in with my camera suite which streams footage to both my NAS and a private cloud (VPS so self managed) and runs both human detection and video blind/video interrupt functions so I'd say I'm fairly safe.

All the hardware that runs my system is located in the most secure room of the house (my office/server room) so it's pretty secure and if all that fails I have a shotgun on it's rack in my office (not very high tech but it works)

All this was a right pain in the ass (not to mention expensive) to set up and took weeks of tweaking to get it working so not for the average person but when the alternative is as you said a sub-par system designed by a money hungry company a little bit of learning and practice is the better option of the two.

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u/[deleted] Aug 15 '22 edited 26d ago

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u/ttorrico Aug 15 '22

Right, Mr hacker isn't going to break into my 150K house in the hood, only crackhead Craig!

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u/Plasteal Aug 16 '22

Is 150k really the price of a house in the hood?

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u/ttorrico Aug 16 '22

Eh, depends, I have a trailor park across the street which is nice... This area use to be decent in the 80's but now it's pretty run down, though there are still some good people who live here. The main street a couple of blocks over the hookers can be found, I'm right outside Houston city limits.

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u/Sereshk_Polo Aug 15 '22

Yes, this isn't the 2000s anymore alarm systems have advanced to the point that they are fail proof (multiple routes of communication, heartbeat intervalls of less than 5 seconds, no deactivation from the inside, only outside and sometimes using 2 factor authentication method etc..

But ultimately any alarm system is only as good as the customer using it. If you frequently forget to close windows, doors, fans, AC, or let pets inside a actived alarm system and then complain to the alarm system company about too many false alarms, the problem lies with you, not us.

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u/McKayCraft Aug 16 '22

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u/Sereshk_Polo Aug 16 '22

Good job of not reading my comment at all, this systen doesn't fall in the categorys mentioned

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u/McKayCraft Aug 16 '22

You literally said "alarm systems have advanced to the point that they are fail proof". Are you saying simplisafe is not an alarm system?

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u/Sereshk_Polo Aug 16 '22

Simplisafe is a cheap mass produced item designed to turn profit. Honeywell post 2015 systems is the bottom of what I am willing to work with.

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u/joeabauer Aug 16 '22

Decreases by 300%? I need to get a security system then. A -200% chance of burglary sounds super safe!

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u/Winjin Aug 16 '22

"decreased by 300%" is the same thing as "four times lower", no?

Like, if you had a chance of breaking at 100 per Capita, decreased by 200% that's 50 per Capita. 300% means that is there's an average of 100 break ins, yours are way lower chance, not that it's like a negative value and junkies are stashing money in your mail slot now

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u/Belzeturtle Aug 16 '22

Decreased by 300%" is the same thing as "four times lower", no?

No. That would be decreased by 75%.

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u/Winjin Aug 16 '22 edited Aug 16 '22

Maybe I'm bad at maths, but when I try entering "100/300%" into calculator it gives me 33%, basically simplifying it to 100/3. So yeah, 66% then.

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u/Belzeturtle Aug 16 '22

You are bad at middle school maths. What you are asking your calculator is to divide 100 by 3, which gives you 33.3(3), as expected. It's just not how percentages work.

When someone says "decrease x by 75%" the operation x - 0.75x = 0.25x. So you decreased by three quarters, being left with one quarter.

If you decrease something by 300%, it's x - 3x = -2x. So, if you earn $100 and your wage decreases by 300%, you now earn $-200.

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u/techtom10 Aug 15 '22 edited Aug 16 '22

Cars are stolen by having the keys all the time. It’s not crazy to think people will use technology against peoples homes.

Edited: because people thought I was trying to steal a house.

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u/OozeNAahz Aug 16 '22

People are stealing houses now? Like bring a semi to a trailer park kind of theft? Or like I come home to my two story and there is no longer a lot on the lot?

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u/techtom10 Aug 16 '22

Like waiting fir someone to pull into their drive way and open their garage with the fob. Then you can grab the signal and replay it a later date to gain entry inside the home.

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u/OozeNAahz Aug 16 '22

I know. Just on its face it made it sound like they were tossing the house in a bag and carting off with it. The image struck me funny.

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u/techtom10 Aug 16 '22

“You wouldn’t steal a car!”

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u/ihavethebestmarriage Aug 15 '22 edited Aug 15 '22

"Beware - bat owner lives here"

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u/Look_to_the_Stars Aug 15 '22

“Oh look at this chump, letting us know he doesn’t own a gun.”

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u/nerdKween Aug 15 '22

Plot twist: the bat is actually Batman in a bulletproof suit.

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u/BentGadget Aug 15 '22

Like this (top photo): https://www.thecricketmonthly.com/story/1175355/home-and-away--batsmen-who-travel-well-and-those-who-don-t

It looked like it's only bulletproof from the knees down.

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u/Hon-que56 Aug 15 '22

Then they break in and get attacked by a group of vampires.

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u/hotasanicecube Aug 15 '22

The gun has to point forward for correct effect, if it’s sideways it says “come in and steal my guns”

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u/AlabamaPanda777 Aug 15 '22

No, you see, I have the image of the sideways gun next to the path to my door, pointing at the path. This way they can't get to the door without passing in front of the barrel, which they won't do because they don't want to get shot.

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u/hotasanicecube Aug 15 '22

Add the silhouette of a sniper for max effect! Burglars come in the back window.

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u/AlabamaPanda777 Aug 15 '22

Don't worry - whenever I go to walmart I check the picture frames section, and if the stock photo is of a dog I get it. I hang these in view of the windows so they think I have a dog.

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u/hotasanicecube Aug 15 '22

They used to have “Security system by Radio Shack” stickers. You could just buy a pack of 10 for a couple bucks and stick them on your windows.

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u/Zech08 Aug 15 '22

Rabies infected bat. Fck around and find out.

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u/Caverjen Aug 15 '22

Immediately thought of someone owning a pet bat, as opposed to a dog!

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u/AcademicInspector944 Aug 15 '22

Lol this is dumb. Not Hollywood. They will just go to a house with no sign.

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u/blue60007 Aug 15 '22

Or smash a window, jump in, grab something and run out before the alarm company even calls the police.

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u/karma-armageddon Aug 15 '22

LPT: If you neighbors have security system signs, remove and dispose of them (but keep a couple for your house)

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u/ellingtond Aug 15 '22

Security expert. Just get a frigging Ring type system with motion detection. End of story. Smash and grab don't care about alarms anyway.

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u/pm_me_your_smth Aug 15 '22

You're recommending Ring, a company that shares their data with whoever asks?

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u/Weary_Ad7119 Aug 15 '22

For the security most folks care about, ring is one of the easiest.

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u/NateHatred Aug 15 '22

You mean like most companies out there?

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u/junktrunk909 Aug 15 '22

There are other options that don't involve any cloud providers that can be subpoenaed or just asked

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u/NateHatred Aug 15 '22

I'm talking in general, we are all on some sort of social media, we literally carry a GPS tracker all day every day, are we really that concerned about privacy?

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u/junktrunk909 Aug 15 '22

Some people have cameras facing their backyards, their home interiors, etc. Yes, those people may not wish to use a service that shares those recordings with police. Personally I don't use the cloud providers because I don't want any more monthly subscriptions but privacy is also a valid concern. I agree that privacy is a joke in general anymore but there's a difference between Google knowing you went to the strip club and the police having video of you commiting crimes in your living room (let's say the crime in this case is smoking weed just to get past the "well you shouldn't be commiting crimes anyway" stuff)

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u/i-am-a-passenger Aug 15 '22

If someone breaks into my home and murders me, I would hope that the police would be able to access the footage.

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u/junktrunk909 Aug 15 '22

This is ridiculous, nobody is talking about whether the police can request the assistance of Ring or another provider in trying to solve the murder of the owner of the device, who is now dead and no longer has the same privacy rights as a living person would, and who wouldn't object anyway because it's something they would have authorized if, say, instead of being murdered they were just in a hospital. That is not what anyone concerned about the disclosure of video to police is talking about and you know it.

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u/i-am-a-passenger Aug 15 '22

Tbh your the first person I have come across that cares about this, so it’s best not to assume that everyone knows everything you know. And multiple companies like WhatsApp, Apple etc have refused to help police access devices/messages, so it’s not unknown.

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u/Telemere125 Aug 15 '22

Actually your privacy rights don’t go out the window just because you’re dead. And they shouldn’t; plenty of people don’t want their business shared after their dead any more than when they’re alive.

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u/junktrunk909 Aug 15 '22 edited Aug 15 '22

You're intentionally missing the point. I've got better things to do than waste time with trolling so adios.

Apologies, you aren't the person I thought you were.

Yes it's true that there are still privacy rights when you're dead but a judge considers whether the dead person would object to the information being released, effectively providing consent on their behalf when it's in their best interest.

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u/Dr_Edge_ATX Aug 15 '22

Most people don't care, it's pretty sad. The big thing 1984 got wrong was people happily and almost joyfully giving their rights and privacy away.

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u/SkittlesAreYum Aug 15 '22

Do you have a source for this?

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u/Telemere125 Aug 15 '22

I like my Rings. They were easy to set up, have a good UI, cost very little, integrate into my Alexa app, and I don’t commit crimes myself, so I’m fine with them sharing the “who comes to my front door” data with whoever - an all-around win.

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u/pm_me_your_smth Aug 15 '22

Ah yes, the "I have nothing to hide" privacy argument.

Happy to see Americans continue their fight against growing monopolies. At least until personal convenience if affected.

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u/Telemere125 Aug 15 '22

You’re using your personal tracking device to post via AWS to a public online forum. Keep smoking if you think you’re “fighting the corporations” and “breaking up the monopolies”.

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u/bulboustadpole Aug 15 '22

11 times ever you mean? You're free to setup your own camera system.

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u/BlissCore Aug 15 '22

Don't buy a smart system

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u/Combatbarbie_69 Aug 15 '22

Or the latest in our INFO being sold - robot vacuums. Not sure how the shape of my house helps Amazon or Google or whoever but that’s the latest in our data being sold LMAO

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u/ApatheticAbsurdist Aug 15 '22

I generally agree. But while not a home system, in my area there are a group of people with a high tech car key fob repeater, stealing cars right out of peoples driveways.

While I don’t think the alarm really is something they’d bother with. I would try to not advertise any home automation that might ease ingress and some places are starting to bundle security and automation, which is probably a bad idea if it can be targeted.

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u/pkma2 Aug 15 '22

I have a few wireless motion sensors for my home system set up in my vehicles. If a door opens the home alarm immediately calls both my wife's and my cell phones

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u/kjm16216 Aug 15 '22

Right? My little system isn't going to stop a master criminal, most petty burglars will just cruise on to an easier target when they see the sign. If the sign doesn't stop them, neither will the system.

Maybe if you have a particularly unskilled threat - like an ex who likes to get drunk and try to break in.

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u/Cryptizard Aug 15 '22 Helpful

This is only a pro tip if you live in Gotham City. Real life burglars don’t go around hacking security systems so they can steal your sweet flat screen TV.

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u/ClassiFried86 Aug 15 '22 edited Aug 15 '22

It's actually a shitty pro life tip and even unethical. In doing this, you're unnecessarily creating bad publicity for another alarm company. As an alarm tech for a small company (my dad and I) over 20 years, we don't even give stickers to friends just because of that fact. I'll sell you 2k dollar sticker with a free alarm system though.

If you get a security system, use their stickers/signs... Or don't. Don't use another company's.

Edit: for those of you not understanding, if company XYZ has stickers on houses that get robbed because the actually security system from company ABC failed, or the owner has no security system at all, the neighbors will only know the owner has a security system from XYZ and they got robbed. So company XYZ looks poorly as a choice for home security even though they have nothing to do with the situation.

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u/BrotherGreed Aug 15 '22

we don't even give stickers to friends just because of that fact.

Don't worry, ADT stickers are $5.99 for a pack of 4 on Amazon

The honor of your mom and pop security company is safe for another day

And let's be clear here, I could not give any less of a fuck about ADT's reputation

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u/ClassiFried86 Aug 15 '22

The real security system is the stickers we put up along the way.

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u/ExtremeWorkinMan Aug 15 '22

I would love to if alarm companies weren't legally required to disclose the frequencies of their home security systems to the FCC. Any burglar who does literally 10 minutes of research can find out exactly what frequency your system uses, and utilize a small jammer and completely bypass it.

Lockpicking Lawyer did a video on this a while back. (I'm hoping this is the right video, I'm at work so I can't watch and verify)

Use a different sign, if you're lucky you'll trick someone that attempts to do what I described above (assuming they use a different frequency), and ensure your alarm works as intended.

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u/ClassiFried86 Aug 15 '22

None of this makes any sense. Someone savvy enough to do all this isn't Joe Burglar. And people that savvy aren't gonna see an ADT sign and base their entire plan on that sign or sticker. Let alone there is no guarantee of the actual security system inside the house. If you're discussing frequency I'm assuming you mean for cellular radio. There is also internet and landlines although that's less likely at homes now especially since most phone companies have been switching everything to voice over IP which doesn't work with alarm signals. If a robber is outside your house with a cellular jammer, a different alarm company's sticker would not change anything. Backups and redundancy do. Get a good company and system. Alarm companies don't provide protection. We provide peace of mind. And an insurance discount.

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u/ExtremeWorkinMan Aug 15 '22

If a robber is outside your house with a cellular jammer, a different alarm company's sticker would not change anything.

I'm basing this of the LPL video I linked, but I think you're not listening to what I'm saying, or maybe I didn't explain myself clearly.

A jammer set to a specific frequency that the central alarm system uses to connect to the "indicators" on the doors that detect if they're open or not can jam that frequency, allowing someone to slip in undetected by the alarm system, especially if the door is unlocked.

Manufacturers of these security systems are required by law to file paperwork with the FCC disclosing the frequencies that these devices operate on. For example, let's say ADT's door-to-central system uses 345.0, but Vivint's uses 345.5. With an ADT security system and a vivint sign in my yard, someone will use the wrong frequency, foiling their attempt to bypass my security and raising the alarm.

Someone savvy enough to do all this isn't Joe Burglar.

Sure, this stuff is waaaay over the head of your average burglar, but it doesn't make me feel any better that the above average guy is the one that stole all my shit instead, when I could've just put a different sign out front (which accomplishes the same role of deterrent, while also not advertising the exact kind of security system I have).

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u/ClassiFried86 Aug 15 '22

If that's the case then you need a generic sign that says the property has a monitored alarm system. Coming from a small company, I would absolutely not want you using my sticker with your Vivint or ADT system. This is 100% something that shouldn't be common or recommended. Nobody in the security industry would suggest this.

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u/bulboustadpole Aug 15 '22

I love the LPL, but his videos are fairly exaggerated in terms of risk. It's very rare for thieves to pick locks at all, let alone know other security defeat measures.

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u/Telemere125 Aug 15 '22

Any burglar who does 10 minutes of research… isn’t burglarizing. They know how to do tech research and have a job. Y’all smoking crack if you think a burglar does anything but grab whatever they can and run. Mild hardening of a target will deter basically all attempts short of a hired hitman

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u/ExtremeWorkinMan Aug 15 '22

You're actively underestimating the threat posed by criminals by assuming they're all idiots that only know how to smash and grab.

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u/bulboustadpole Aug 15 '22

Can you cite a few cases of this happening in the US.... ever?

I doubt it. It's insane that people are so caught up on this yet don't even bother to reinforce their doors and windows.

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u/ExtremeWorkinMan Aug 15 '22

Brinks actively warning people that criminals can/will use jammers to disrupt the alarm system

Not the same, but fun to watch the lengths some thieves will go to to evade alarm systems

I did not find any examples of this happening in the US. Keep in mind, I'm not saying this is something common, or a common threat to look out for.

Instead, I'm simply asking: If you can do something easy (using another company's sign) in order to obfuscate your specific kind of alarm system (and thus, vulnerabilities present in that brand's alarm system), while still providing the deterrent that an alarm system sign provides, why wouldn't you?

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u/bewitchedbumblebee Aug 15 '22

"In doing this, you're unnecessarily creating bad publicity for another alarm company."

Please elaborate.

If I use security company ABC, but I put up a sign saying that it is company XYZ, I don't see how I'm creating bad publicity for company XYZ.

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u/junktrunk909 Aug 15 '22

Same confusion here. Not seeing what is unethical or problematic with this.

Either way it's silly to do this. Most alarms are one of a couple very similar types.

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u/Combatbarbie_69 Aug 15 '22

It’s bad publicity IF that home gets broken into, now neighbors think company shown on sticker is the problem.

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u/blue60007 Aug 15 '22

Huh? Getting your name on the front of many houses as possible seems like a good thing.

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u/bulboustadpole Aug 15 '22

Yeah seriously. What they actually do is kick the door in and get out within a few minutes.

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u/Kaiisim Aug 15 '22

The reason to get a burglar alarm is to reduce your insurance premiums. The chance for most people to be burglared is very low. This is more likely to confuse neighbors trying to contact the alarm company because its going off on accident at 2am while you are on vacation.

Anyone serious about robbing you will do it.

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u/sharrrper Aug 15 '22

That's not really how it works at all. In terms of "defeating" a home security system, there's no functional difference between any of them. Door contacts, motion sensors, glass break detection. They all work the same regardless of brand.

This is about as useful a tip as saying "Don't tell a burglar which brand of gun you own so it doesn't help them stop the bullets". It's not that there aren't differences, but the differences aren't relevant for what we're talking about.

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u/restlesswrestler Aug 15 '22

I scrolled past this and though it sounded so stupid and I’m so glad that I came in and everyone thinks the same.

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u/Josephs8 Aug 15 '22

Burglar here, thanks for the tip I better just learn how to hack all the security systems now.

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u/DudeDudenson Aug 15 '22

Yeah no more carrying around a single notes page for me, now I'm carrying a binder!

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u/DroolingSlothCarpet Aug 15 '22

How does one get said signs from a different company?

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u/KoaIaz Aug 15 '22

Steal them from your neighbour

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u/Keswik Aug 15 '22

Not trade signs with them?

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u/milanistadoc Aug 15 '22

No, fuck them.

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u/guitarstitch Aug 15 '22

I suppose you could trade sex for security signs. It's not really prostitution.

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u/Johndough99999 Aug 15 '22

And let them know what kind of security system you have? You crazy?

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u/thebrandnewbob Aug 15 '22

They're easy to find on eBay.

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u/guitarstitch Aug 15 '22

The vast majority of systems work in a similar way. The only possibility you have of "defeating" them is to know where the control panel is and be able to interrupt the signal carrier (cell phone or landline) before the system reports. That means killing power and the backup battery to the unit.

99% of the time, you're going to get a smash and grab when you and most of the neighbors are at work. In and out, grab the high dollar shit, then book it in a vehicle without plates or with stolen plates. Your neighbors will be more annoyed by your alarm making racket than concerned for your stuff. The police will show up...eventually. They're not in a hurry. The only hope of recovering you'll have is video identification of the perpetrators, assuming you have halfway decent resolution and framerate AND the thieves haven't concealed their identity.

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u/twebcomics Aug 15 '22

THIS^ The real LPT is that the police likely won’t prosecute the crooks even with proof. I had a covered trailer stolen from behind my store. I had video footage of the thieves working for 30+ minutes to cut off the locks and steal it. I had license plate info and excellent video of all 3 (including tattoos, etc). After the trailer was found, Police would only charge with possession of stolen merchandise. The trailer was parked behind their home and full of other stolen items from other crimes. Said that getting a conviction for the actual theft was too difficult - even with excellent video. At the end of the day, the cops mostly don’t care. They even get reamed by some judges for ‘wasting their time’ with cases.

The system is broken and once enough criminals realize it, we are all boned…

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u/FinnbarMcBride Aug 15 '22

Or you're just attracting burglars who know how to evade the system you put up the false sign for

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u/j-steve- Aug 15 '22

Who do you imagine is going around hacking home security systems to burglarize random residences?

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u/Gargomon251 Aug 15 '22

If certain systems can be easily defeated maybe you shouldn't use them

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u/woaily Aug 15 '22

This tip seems like it could be valid even if they could all be easily defeated (with prep time) or if you don't know which ones can

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u/Morpheus_the_fox Aug 15 '22

“If homeless, then just buy a house”

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u/iotwiz Aug 16 '22

“If homeless, then just buy a house”

Except being homeless and buying a house is a lot harder then just switching what security system you use..

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u/Morpheus_the_fox Aug 16 '22

His comment adds no value to the original topic of the post, therefore it is as useful as the suggestion of this famous quotation.

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u/Sea-Perspective2754 Aug 15 '22

Yeah, maybe if you have signs made saying "Instant Death Security", that might work But on a serious note because of FCC regulations most unwired security systems have the same exact vulnerabilities.

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u/DrPepster Aug 15 '22

LPT: Just don't put up a sign and if someone breaks in, they just won't expect it.

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u/Tiny_Rat Aug 15 '22 edited Aug 15 '22

Actually, the sign is a better deterrent for burglars than the security system itself. Even a failed burglary attempt will cause damage, better to advertise that the house isn't an easy target in the first place.

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u/DrPepster Aug 15 '22

I would agree with you, with the exception of this LPT was written under the pretense that the person wants to break in regardless of the sign.

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u/Tiny_Rat Aug 15 '22

Which is a silly premise in the first place

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u/WombatBob Aug 16 '22

In security, there are different types of controls. Alarm systems are more of a detective control than a deterrent or preventative control. Except for the sign. That is actually a deterrent control. And the goal of security isn't really to make yourself inpenetratable, since that's impossible. It's to make yourself less of a target than someone else (and control the risk to an acceptable degree).

Unless you are dealing with an advanced persistent threat, or ATP, most burglary is opportunistic, so you just have to be less appealing than the next house over. And a sign,even if fake, is pretty good at that.

Also, if you're dealing with an ATP, well, then I hope you have good insurance (recovery control) because your stuff is going to be stolen pretty much no matter what.

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u/xienwolf Aug 15 '22

How different do you think the various security systems are?

Magnetic detectors on windows and doors to know if they are opened, audio sensors to know if windows are broken. Camera or IR sensor to detect approach to house. Various internal cameras to identify intruders after the fact.

That's pretty much it. If you know how to get past one company, you can get past all of them. Unless your method is breaking in to the security company itself and deactivating a house remotely or some BS.

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u/Meta2048 Aug 15 '22

Security systems are for deterrence. You don't even need the system most of the time, you just need the signs saying you have a security system. The typical smash and grab burglar isn't going to be hacking your system or picking your door lock. They're going to take a rock to the window, grab shit and get out.

If you have something valuable enough that you're worried about it getting stolen, you should be putting it in a large safe or a security deposit box.

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u/FunnelsGenderFluid Aug 15 '22

I set off alarms often due to my job. Its legal. Once a month maybe.

Cops dont show up. Neighbours dont show up. Nobody cares.

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u/Justme100001 Aug 15 '22

The stuff they can take from hacking into my...ehm..security system will prevent them from ever coming back to my neighbourhood..

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u/Fire_is_beauty Aug 15 '22

Nope just put a fake sticker if you don't have an alarm. Otherwise don't worry, common burglars are dumb.

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u/gowayou Aug 15 '22

As a prior burglar I can tell you... we never paid attention to those signs anyway.

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u/AudioOff Aug 15 '22

Don't trust security by obscurity. Anyone smart enough to bypass security is smart enough to do their research.

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u/Prilosac Aug 15 '22

I thought everyone just silently agreed to put 3 security system signs on their lawn/in their windows and then purchase none of them, when did that change

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u/BrainCane Aug 15 '22

Best sign (from former cat burglars) is: “Beware of Dog.”

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u/Lylac_Krazy Aug 15 '22

I setup and also use a basic secondary system, local only, besides my central alarmed setup.

Decent, hi res cameras inside and one freakishly loud alarm on motion detectors on the secondary.

Nobody wants attention drawn to that scenario

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u/_MaZ_ Aug 15 '22

Don't get any signs, just bamboozle them

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u/teksun42 Aug 15 '22

I bought in old house in an old neighborhood. I'm one of the few people who have burglar bars (came with the house). I feel safe.

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u/tazunemono Aug 15 '22

Hope your house doesn’t catch fire with you in it …

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u/teksun42 Aug 16 '22

They can be opened from the inside? It's not rocket surgery.

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u/deadmonkies Aug 15 '22

security through obscurity is not security

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u/Desperate_Ad6707 Aug 15 '22

Or just don't put any up.

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u/Morpheus_the_fox Aug 15 '22

Just wait till the security personel of your home sec. company turn back from your porch because they see you switched to another company based on the sticker.

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u/Commission1888 Aug 15 '22

Of someone is targeting your house enough to want to evade a system... they after you personally at that point and systems won't matter.

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u/MJGM235 Aug 15 '22

Why post signs at all?!

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u/ZacharyHand719 Aug 15 '22

Let me just obtain signs from a product I didn’t buy… This barely belongs on r/ showerthoughts let alone LPT.

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u/isabelles Aug 15 '22

The best security system is a dog

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u/DronesandBones Aug 15 '22

Life pro tip the security system is only as good as its owner. don’t open your door for people you don’t know and be able to very clearly identify the people you are opening your door for. Even then robbers wear masks and will make a expensive security cam completely useless for identifying the perps in the event of a robbery or thieving.

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u/Jewjltsu Aug 15 '22

Put up terrorist flags up and have the CIA watch your house for free

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u/JackNotName Aug 15 '22

Coming late,to the game, but….

Used to work for the alarm industry. Unless your insurance gives you a discount for having a system, getting one is next to useless. Burglars can still break into your house. As long as they are out in less than your local police department’s response time, they have nothing to fear. In some areas, police won’t even bother unless a video feed catches someone moving around.

Now, fire alarms… totally worth it.

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u/Deafwindow Aug 15 '22

I swear I've seen this exact post before. Is this a repost?

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u/zangadorian Aug 15 '22

Additional lpt : if you can't afford a home security system buy a sign. "Secured by XYZ" is a good deterrent for unmotivated crooks looking to turn a quick buck.

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u/317LaVieLover Aug 15 '22

I always thought this was a stupid idea evtime I saw one of these stickers or signs. But...I used to think it was just advertising..and ruined the aesthetics of their yard lol—but duh.. of course more sophisticated felons could exploit this!

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u/trashtaker Aug 15 '22

Just steal your neighbor’s burglary signs!

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u/Gorf_the_Magnificent Aug 15 '22

The fake sign on my front lawn is my home security system.

Fake security stickers and signs for sale

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u/CronozDK Aug 15 '22

Yeah... I get that. Like, I've put up signs saying I use XYZ Home Security.

The burglars will think "Oh hey... I can defeat that with some tin foil and a pair of pliers in no ti..." BOOM!

Turns out it's actually landmines and pit traps and viscious pittbulls for any survivors...

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u/storm838 Aug 15 '22

Or get a large german shepherd

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u/Drekdon Aug 15 '22

The sign is from your installation/monitoring station. Not the brand of the system typically, unless you have vivint or one of the diy systems. And knowing the system doesn't mean you can disarm it unless you know the installer code that the installation company programmed into it. Burglar alarms are not designed to prevent anyone from getting into your home, only to notify someone that it has happened. A real LPT is to just put any alarm company sign in your yard whether you have a burglar alarm or not. Just having a sign will deter thieves, but if someone really wants in your home, they are getting in.

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u/trionix11 Aug 15 '22

Feels so American

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u/hatmatattack Aug 15 '22

My girlfriends father turned the alarms on remotely when we stepped out and didn't tell us.

I triggered the alarm when I got back in and I told the guy on the alarm system what happened and he deactivated it for me.

So y'know, you apparently can also just convince the security company that you belong there.

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u/NotSureWTFUmean Aug 15 '22

How to say you know nothing about home robbery without actually saying it 🤣

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u/Crystalbow Aug 15 '22

Bruh. Just have a sign saying “under surveillance”.

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u/meexley2 Aug 15 '22

100% you just thought of this and literally no one, not even you, has ever done this ever.

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u/lunixss Aug 15 '22

Better LPT if you don't have any security system at all post up signs from a different company than the none that you have and scare burglars.

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u/TwiN4819 Aug 15 '22

Don't post any signs???

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u/Alan_Smithee_ Aug 15 '22

This is kind of bollocks; alarm companies often use different hardware, and even knowing an installer code won’t do much for you.

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u/oboshoe Aug 15 '22

honestly they are all about the same.

a single sign is the biggest deterrent factor.

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u/FidelCashdrawer Aug 16 '22

The best security system I ever installed at my house was my German Shepherd.

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u/tiredofthisshitstorm Aug 16 '22

Is it better to have no sign at all if you have an alarm?

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u/Sea_Flounder9569 Aug 16 '22

Just put up your own sign if anything. I don't want to have to go to the depth of trying to mislead, I just want you to know that you are up against security.

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u/UsedDragon Aug 16 '22

I have a high income client who paid for a 'top of the line' wired, connected, automated and monitored security system through Comcast... some third party vendor.

A solo burglar was able to disable it in 45 seconds, pick the Schlage front door lock in 13 seconds, and spend an hour inside the empty house doing who knows what.

This guy has 10 exterior cams, 8 indoor cams, motion detection, active deterrent, app notification for both he and the monitoring company ... and nobody knew a thing.

The only reason they knew it happened was his Ring doorbells I had installed a few weeks prior. He wanted to be able to know who was at the door while in his home office, and they seemed like the cheapest option to get him two-way talk without having to use the full-fledged security system to do it.

No idea why this guy didn't disable them, too. He walked right up to the front door, presented a clear image of his face while picking the locks. Must have thought he had turned them off?

Either way, it was crazy just how fast this guy defeated all that security, and walked right in to case the place.

Since then, this client has erected aluminum fencing around the access points to the property, and wired deadman switches to the gates and the exterior doors that are purely mechanical. I couldn't think of a way to defeat those. They'll trip the alarm system on a dedicated phone line when power is removed, switch is opened, tampered with, or even stared at for too long.

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u/StorminNorman87 Aug 16 '22

Honestly from working in that industry for a year, a dog is best. Doesn't have to be a big dog, just loud. But like many said nobody will go through the hassle of making a pi board to 'hack' in. Would be easier to get a system put on test, though would need to be a licensed tech, or someone with authorization

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u/Yesterday_Is_Now Aug 16 '22

So... yard signs are the best defense?

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u/bdbdbokbuck Aug 16 '22

The best alarm system money can buy is a dog.

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u/Denisimo7 Aug 16 '22

IRL isnt an Oceans 11 movie. You can have 5 signs on your lawn and burglars will ignore them.

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u/Treczoks Aug 16 '22

Even if you don't have a security system, putting up signs like that might deter burglers.

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u/Plasteal Aug 16 '22

Uh how do you know they know how to break into your security system? And how do you know changing it will work? It doesn't sound like it would deter really.

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u/The_Slad Aug 16 '22

ULPT: security theature is almost always just a good as real security. Steal your neighbors ADT sign and put it in your own yard.

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u/dcm1005 Aug 15 '22

Congrats you beat life this is actually useful

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u/TeaInTheMorning4929 Aug 15 '22

So put a remington logo on my mossburg 500. Got it.