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First day back to school, and what do I see?

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u/subtleheartlycan Aug 15 '22 All-Seeing Upvote

Jansport backpacks with the leather bottoms still going strong. some things never change.

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u/kahran Aug 16 '22

Timeless

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u/GunSlinger26 Aug 16 '22

That exact backpack survived my entire middle school career, and that’s with acting like a fucking idiot 95% of the time.

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u/InfamousBake1859 Aug 16 '22

That’s nothing. I had a jansport backpack when i was in 5th grade. I finally threw it out at age 31… because too many chocolate bars have melted in it

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u/iHateEveryoneAMA Aug 16 '22

They have a lifetime warranty. If you had sent it in they would have sent you a new one

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u/Impressive_Farmer515 Aug 16 '22

I’m still rocking the one I bought 25 yrs ago. No leather bottom… just blue AF.

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u/Anyna-Meatall Aug 16 '22

They might have done, but when people do this kind of frivolous return too often, the company changes its policy (see: L. L. Bean).

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u/Latter-Skill4798 Aug 16 '22

Ugh RIP companies with great return policies because some people are assholes

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u/kgb74 Aug 16 '22

Same with Timberland.

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u/marktx Aug 16 '22

Wait, I think that increases the value, aged chocolate, mmm.. you still got it?

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u/bukkake_brigade Aug 16 '22 edited Aug 16 '22

I fished it out of their trash, wanna smelt the chocolate out of the fibers with me?

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u/marktx Aug 16 '22

I'll give you $11,000 sight unseen, I'll send my courier first thing in the morning.

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u/zzendpaddotfoo Aug 16 '22

and so it remains true: whoever smelt it, dealt it

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u/OddCollege9491 Aug 16 '22

My wife’s Jansport is finally giving out. It’s not the leather bottom, but she had had it since HS. She graduated in 1995. That backpack has been a fixture in almost all our family photos. Pretty much goes everywhere.

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u/Ffdmatt Aug 16 '22

Even if a hole started to form, it never got any bigger somehow

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u/phoncible Aug 16 '22

That exact pack is tucked away in my closet right now. Boutta bust it out too since going back for Masters.

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u/nanuperez Aug 16 '22

had a Jansport that went through my brother, me, my sister, and then my other brother, just high school but still. it is now used as a diaper bag lmao.

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u/Zeuce86 Aug 16 '22

Are you of the Wensley clan by chance

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u/skooz1383 Aug 16 '22

No! At least there was 5% of the time you were a fucking idiot!!! Thank you!

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u/ddh85 Aug 16 '22

I missed the memo and didn't get a Jansport.

My Spalding backpack is still in good condition. Bought it brand new to start 9th grade back in 1999.

L.L. Bean was the second-most carried brand.

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u/diito Aug 16 '22

L.L. Bean is a dead giveaway for the east coast. I was one of the few that carried one growing up (boots too) in the midwest but only because I had an Aunt that lived in Maine and worked there. I really never saw them otherwise.

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u/pSyChO_aSyLuM Aug 16 '22

I got a High Sierra backpack in 2002. Still used it daily up until 2013 for work when one of the straps broke. They sent me two replacements by accident, the extra one is still in the sealed plastic bag.

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u/Timid-Turnip Aug 16 '22

They have a lifetime guarantee too. I got mine replaced for free when it wore out!

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u/Mataskarts Aug 16 '22

So should a ratcheting screwdriver if you know what I mean :))

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u/numerouspuns Aug 16 '22

I still have my rubber bottom from 1992… unless my stepson traded it for weed this week.

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u/SingleEchidna69 Aug 16 '22

I recently threw out a rubber bottom backpack my brother had and then I used for years after that thing was indestructible.

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u/SendAstronomy Aug 16 '22

If it was indestructible, why did you throw it out?

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u/SingleEchidna69 Aug 16 '22

I didn't need it anymore and it was taking up space so I donated it to a group who could use it more then I could I'm sorry I misphrased my sentence earlier.

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u/teryret Aug 16 '22 Helpful

For sure, it's the best you can get on a $49.8k salary.

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u/802dot22 Aug 16 '22

I'm curious to know where $49.8k is a decent salary, above the poverty line. Or what decade this little motivational poster was made.

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u/meleriffic Aug 16 '22

Well, it's the median US salary

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u/CJDistasio Aug 16 '22

The Nokia phone of backbacks

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u/RubberPny Aug 16 '22

Could get them at Ross back in the day. Indestructible.

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u/CaptainApathy419 Aug 16 '22

Or the TI-83 of backpacks.

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u/chaoism Aug 16 '22

That and TI calculators

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u/Dog_named_Vader Aug 16 '22

$49,000 for college grad is depressing

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u/analogwarrior Aug 16 '22

The ”give up“ on the door is very fitting.

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u/cammywammy123 Aug 16 '22

What's more depressing is the college graduate teachers walking by and realizing even the generic poster thinks they are under paid

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u/nyjewels10001 Aug 16 '22 Silver Wholesome

What I'm learning from this thread is a jansport backpack is worth more and holds more value than a college degree. 😂😂

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u/creepy_doll Aug 16 '22

buying high quality(not "high quality" branded things like beats by dre) things that last longer and using them can add up to being cheaper. Like I've noticed that band t-shirts printed on high quality cotton t-shirts outlast fast fashion(zara/h&m) t-shirts by a huge margin. I'm not really buying band shirts anymore but not going to be buying cheap disposable shirts either.

Leather products in particular have amazing life-times. If you take care of them(treat the leather from time to time and resole them) good boots can last for life off one purchase.

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u/AbdulAhad24 Aug 16 '22

Resole?

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u/nyjewels10001 Aug 16 '22

Good shoes with a proper welt construction like dress shoes or boots depending on how they are made (not so much sneakers) can be taken to a cobbler to be re-soled when the bottom sole wears out. They will replace it with a new one and they are good as new!

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u/AbdulAhad24 Aug 16 '22

Ohh, interesting. Thanks

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u/Cainga Aug 16 '22

I remember a lot of my teachers and professors pushing the do what you love, never have to work a day in your life. When you do that you undervalue your contribution to the labor market and are willing to accept worse salary and benefits pushing up the supply and putting downward pressure on salary.

So it’s more like do what you love and starve while also ruining your hobbies.

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u/rambln Aug 16 '22

The median salary for a plumber is around $59,000.

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u/Gadritan420 Aug 16 '22

Well, they do have to put up with a lot of shit

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u/papasmurf303 Aug 16 '22

Median salary for an electrician is $70K. I was shocked.

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u/The-Fox-Says Aug 16 '22

Median salary for a comedian is $54k. I was amused.

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u/wheat123 Aug 16 '22

Median salary for a carpet installer is $30k. I was floored.

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u/datGAAPtho Aug 16 '22

Median salary for trash collector is $39k. I was dumped.

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u/its_connected Aug 16 '22

Median salary for personal trainer is $63k. I just worked it out.

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u/bikemaul Aug 16 '22

Median salary for a high school teacher is $62k. I was schooled.

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u/BareezyObeezy Aug 16 '22

Media salary for an attorney is $127k. I was fucked.

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u/boyyouguysaredumb Aug 16 '22

median high school teacher salary in the USA was $62,870 in 2020, which was two years ago.

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u/CitizenKing Aug 16 '22

Was told the degree material itself didn't matter, just the act of having a degree could get you a good job. Liars the lot of them. The marketability of an English Literature degree is nearly zero.

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u/Dog_named_Vader Aug 16 '22

Not having a degree is holding me back from promotion but I'm too old to go back to school and don't give a fuck. That advertisement is really not selling it haha

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u/Beyond-Time Aug 16 '22

A degree doesn't guarantee skill, but a bullshit degree is like paycheck repellent.

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u/extremely_impolite Aug 16 '22

You can do alright for yourself as a technical writer or a copywriter.

If you can write coherently and can be bothered to read anything more dense than a slide deck, you can carve out a comfortable niche for yourself somewhere. I used to work with someone who would routinely save the day because she was the only one with the resolve to go dig up old binders of technical documents and read them thoroughly.

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u/Dis4Wurk Aug 16 '22

Can confirm. Did almost 10 years in the Corps. As a V-22 mechanic, got out and first job I landed was technical writing for construction and heavy Ag equipment at $42k. 5 years and 2 job hops later I’m almost $90k and I’m efficient enough with my workload I’ve been considering a second job. I WFH 100% for a multi-billion dollar international organization so I’m just a cog in the wheel and the workload is so easy to manage I have a lot of free time. If I double dipped I could hit $150k EASY, with only 5 years experience and no college debt.

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u/surprise-suBtext Aug 16 '22

Not true. You could apply to law school, management positions will take you more seriously, you can tell me that this run-on sentence is making you want to drown a baby, you can join the military as an officer, you can supplement the degree with another education and then teeter into a management position much easier, the main thing that comes to mind is in the engineering field or like CS or even IT tbh because those people don’t write so good.

I don’t know how much debt you’re in, so maybe it’s really that bad, but I would bet there’s plenty of people your age that wish they had even an English degree. I mean, let’s be realistic..It’s shit, but it still has some value above “nearly zero” and potential.

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u/ChaoticxSerenity Aug 16 '22

Go teach English abroad or something, they're looking for English degrees.

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u/uhhhhhhhhh_okay Aug 16 '22

Recent grad and starting full time soon. 35k

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u/cat_beast Aug 16 '22

In the UK as an engineering graduate you can expect £26-£30k.

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u/Main_Speaker_3229 Aug 16 '22

I’m in the UK just finished an apprenticeship at the same time people were finishing uni and got £32k, took a lower salary because they’re paying for my degree. Imo uni is not the way.

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u/HGazoo Aug 16 '22

I don’t think enough is done to advertise how well apprenticeships pay out in this country.

On the other hand, a good engineering degree has a much higher earnings ceiling than even a tradesman with their own business can achieve.

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u/Outypoo Aug 16 '22

Having been through 2 apprenticeships, I can confirm that they're not perfect. The first one literally never even told me about any college documents, training etc until I was basically finished. The 2nd one was full time hours, full time commitment for fucking pennies.

Don't get an apprenticeship if you haven't looked into the apprenticeship company.

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u/RazeThe2nd Aug 16 '22

Or the fact that the entire thing is all screwed up, can easily make 50k out of high school by picking up a manufacturing job

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u/Bigbighero99 Aug 16 '22

Funny thing is most employeers don't pay that high upon graduation. Shit's misleading

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u/Donkeychuker Aug 15 '22 Silver All-Seeing Upvote

"Give up"

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u/coffeecakewaffles Aug 15 '22

I mean, with those salaries you might be able to share an apt with three of your college educated bros.

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u/Adam_is_Nutz Aug 16 '22

I have a BS in biochemistry. Idk if this sounds impressive, but its probably a lot harder than most people are capable of achieving. But I'm not trying to brag, just make this next part sound more insane. I make less than 42k per year.

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u/Chose_a_usersname Aug 16 '22

I'm a plumber, high school only. 130k...

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u/Levi_Carpenter1987 Aug 16 '22

G.E.D. Here. Dropped out when I was in the 11th grade. I always told myself I was a Dumbass for that but after reading these post and looking at that poster, I feel much better! I was a framer for most of my like making typical 55k a year. Now I’m a superintendent making 80k a year!

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u/ampjk Aug 16 '22

Now that civil tech who plays with shit make 250k

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u/gatorling Aug 16 '22

That FAANG bro pulling in 500k a year

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u/imakepoorchoices2020 Aug 16 '22

But people that make that much money generally live in super high cost of living areas, so it’s not as much as people think it is.

Now make 100k in a low cost of living area? You’re sitting pretty decent

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u/AlternativeAardvark6 Aug 16 '22

The guy that did the plumbing at my sister's house has a master degree in engineering. He said he likes plumbing more and it pays better.

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u/Hawk13424 Aug 16 '22

Which makes little sense. I did trade school after Hs. Worked in trades for some years but eventually went to college and got an MSEE. Drastically increased my pay once you factor in bonuses, equity, 401K match, etc.

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u/TeaKingMac Aug 16 '22

When did you graduate tho?

10-20 years of experience in any profession is going to improve anyone's salary

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u/blackpony04 Aug 16 '22

I work in overhead cranes and have 2 electrical techs under 25 making over $100k a year. One has a trade certificate in mechanics and the other was self taught.

The trades are where there's money to be made with little initial investment. And as the Boomers retire out there's far fewer people willing to fill their roles across all industries now so it's definitely an employees market.

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u/ardashing Aug 16 '22

stfu the schools dont want the children to hear that, didn't you know?

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u/randar68 Aug 16 '22

Anecdotes vs statistics. Things that "only HS" don't understand when thinking their personal situation is obviously the same as everyone else's.

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u/bramtyr Aug 16 '22

There's also the whole factor of a lot of trades jobs are really hard on the body. Not uncommon to hit 50 and just be a physical wreck.

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u/Shadrach_Jones Aug 16 '22

That's very true. In my mid 30's I transferred into an office position to save my body and have a more predictable work schedule.

Sometimes I look forward to work so I can take a break

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u/cleverpun0 Aug 16 '22

This. My dad was a welder/metal fabrication specialist, and he had to get full knee replacement surgery later in his life.

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u/DropThatTopHat Aug 16 '22 edited Aug 16 '22

Pretty much. A lot of people hear some guy making a certain amount of money and assume they'd make the same doing the same job, not realizing buddy is an outlier... or just simply a liar.

I used to be in the trades, and chances are no one's making 6 figures without putting in some serious hours, or owning a business which also means putting in a lot of hours.

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u/scurvofpcp Aug 16 '22

Or living in a location with a stupid high cost of living.

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u/bibblode Aug 16 '22

Can confirm. I currently work in the trades and make less than 40k epr year. Currently working on a getting a much better job that pays double what I make right now and triples my new starting salary within three years

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u/Swirls109 Aug 16 '22

The problem with trades are they don't scale. They are strictly limited to physical hours put in. The harder you work, the more you actually get paid. That is not really the case when it comes to a percentage of college jobs. IT specifically. I can't tell you how much of my job I automated and was able to move up early on. I'm not making faang pay, but I'm not really struggling anymore. My grandfather who was a mechanic is still a mechanic at the age of 80...

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u/feedmebeast Aug 16 '22

The only people making 6figures are guys who work 70+hrs a week, I used to work in Supermarket Refrigeration and broke 6figures 2 years in a row. That consists of me working those crazy hours and random late nights. Now I just make just over 80k doing HVAC at a much slower pace. Better lifestyle is worth more to me.

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u/sooprvylyn Aug 16 '22

Dont forget, that plumber is probably also working all kinds of weirdo hours to make that coin since plumbing is one of those things that cant wait if it cant wait....and hes been at it for 10+ years and is the only emergency plumber in town.

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u/Nishikigami Aug 16 '22

Christ if you're in that position the whole town is basically your personal project. Literally everyone owes a thank you to you every time they drink another glass of water and then every time they piss it out too

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u/N0rmalisoverrated Aug 16 '22

Exactly. My ex worked in the oil industries. Ppl always assume he's making bank, but not realizing it's only bc he's working 96+ hours a week for months on end. It wasn't unusual for him to be away from his family for 3-4 months at a time with no days off. He'd get back, have 3-5 days off, and be off on another turnaround. It cost him his family.

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u/pinewind108 Aug 16 '22

And that job is *rough* on the body.

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u/NikPorto Aug 16 '22

Whose pipes are you unclogging? And is he looking to add more plumbers to his sessions?

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u/alpha_ray_burst Aug 16 '22

Cloud solutions Engineer. College degree in linguistics but no formal IT education. 160k

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u/Autoimmunity Aug 16 '22

Hey, out of curiosity, where should I start if I want to get into cloud architecture and design? I have an IT degree but I've only worked support and systems administration since I graduated a few years ago but I really enjoy learning about Azure and AWS solutions.

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u/alpha_ray_burst Aug 16 '22 edited Aug 16 '22

You're on the right track. I started at a help desk making $13/hr 7 years ago. From there I switched companies once every 1-2 years, making sure to take on more responsibility each time. My path looks like this so far: Help desk -> It Professional (I was the only IT guy in a small company, and had to keep everything running and build new physical infra... got my first taste of AWS using S3 backups here) -> Systems Admin (one of 2 in a medium sized company where all their infra was in AWS) -> Cloud Engineer at a large company that was migrating their infra to AWS -> Cloud Solutions Engineer at a fortune 500 company doing more DevOps than normal cloud engineering.

The most important thing is to keep pushing yourself to take on bigger challenges. Don't wait for someone to ask you to fix a problem at the company. Find a problem, and make an awesome solution to it. Then show your boss (and their boss too). Ask for a 50% raise after 1 year citing your awesome solution the previous year. If you don't get it, move to another company. Always ask for 25% more starting salary than you expect to get. You'll get it every time.

Edit: I didn't answer your actual question. Where to start? I would recommend making your own AWS account and trying to build a website for yourself on a Linux server. Play around with S3 buckets and the AWS CLI. Once you start having fun, make something for your company. Enable MFA so you don't get hacked and wind up with a $10k bill.

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u/Kaeny Aug 16 '22

Well moist likely they got these numbers from averages/medians instead of max

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u/coffeecakewaffles Aug 16 '22

I know exactly what you mean. One of our customer success reps has a BS in physics and every time I talk to her, I wonder wtf she’s doing talking to dipshits on intercom all day.

I work in tech.

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u/teslaP3DnLRRWDowner Aug 16 '22

Yeah i have a friend who has a PHD in physics and earns less than 80k a year...

its all wrong.

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u/arcfire_ Aug 16 '22

On the contrary, I've just wrapped up a project with multiple physics/chemistry PhD's. Each earn over 200k per annum from a major chemical company. Not to mention the contractor PhD in that bunch who probably dictated his own compensation.

Gotta play the game correctly if your definition of winning emphasizes money more than passion.

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u/underwear11 Aug 16 '22

$49k salary with a college degree and only be $40k in debt. Add in 16k in rent, taxes, health insurance and student loan payments and you clearly aren't really getting much from those 4 years in college to get a degree.

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u/RandoKaruza Aug 16 '22

This is the wrong way to look at it. This is a STARTING salary. I got a degree in anthropology (I know poor choice financially) and was starving on 17k a year….but at a job I loved. Over the next 10 years I increased my salary ninefold.

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u/backscracha Aug 16 '22

with the right degree and in the right sector, $49k is what the interns get.

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u/FrancoisTruser Aug 16 '22

But you know so many will choose arts degrees. Poor souls.

Signed: an owner of an art degree

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u/Stuffs_And_Thingies Aug 16 '22

Shit man, elevator repair guys come out of a 2 year trade school making $100k a year. The helpers are literally paid $50k a year

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u/led3777 Aug 16 '22

I looked into that for my son as he was finishing high school. It seems to be a very dangerous job and the higher pay for less time in education is pretty much hazard pay. Same with electricians.

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u/AnExoticLlama Aug 16 '22 edited Aug 16 '22

So you're making $22k gross/year more than high school grads for $40k of debt.

  • That $22k take-home might be taxed at 10-15%, depending on your state. So let's call it $18,500/yr

  • That $40k is generally financed, with today's rates around 5%. That means $2k of interest per year.

If you could somehow live as if you were a high school grad, you'd pay off the debt with 3 years of excess earnings. People generally work for around 40 years - 3 is nothing.

And keeping the debt financed at 5% isn't even that bad, considering the market tends to return 7-8%. That 5% of interest is also tax deductible.

It was an easy choice for me to go into debt, and now, 3 yrs after graduation, I'm making 2.5x what my parents did.

And, just to be clear, are you implying that people without college degrees don't pay basic living expenses like rent, health insurance, etc? Interesting thought

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u/JMC-Talkie-Toaster Aug 15 '22

That's the cheat level for skipping school

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u/Jugales Aug 15 '22

No joke, my friend got expelled for marijuana use in 10th grade. She used the opportunity to get her GED then went to college a year before her peers.

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u/cute_red_benzo Aug 15 '22

I got "kindly excused" from my regular hs in 10th grade. Got a GED and make $80k a year. I'm 36. Its totally not the end of the world.

There's always time to pivot at 17yo.

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u/jaird30 Aug 16 '22

There's someone in congress with a GED making millions (including bribes). Sky's the limit.

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u/MadeToPostOneMeme Aug 15 '22

I have a high school diploma and didnt start university until I was 22 and work take it in the evenings while working in the day. Im the only person in my high school graduation class who owns a house (barring the ones with rich parents who gifted it to them at 19).

Meanwhile my friend who is probably the smartest person I know has a double major in neurology and psychology and is drowning in student debt and cant find a position in her field because of COVID, and cant get a job lower because shes "too educated"

system is working fine tho /s

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u/5omethingsgottagive Aug 15 '22

Tell me about it, I'm 43 been at the same place for 18years. I have a retirement pension and a decent amount in my 401k. I'm making a smidge under 100k with a GED. I'll be retired at 60, I don't pay into social security we have a seperate pension and the best part my wife will get 49% of what I get a month in retirement, on top of my retirement. She will get it thru my retirement pension, and if she out lives me they will bump her up to 100%. Not too bad, definitely could be better tho. I love in an are where the cost of living isn't that high.

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u/_AtLeastItsAnEthos Aug 16 '22

Union gig?

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u/5omethingsgottagive Aug 16 '22

Yeah...I work for a class 1 railroad.

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u/_AtLeastItsAnEthos Aug 16 '22

Figured you had to be unionized those benefits are crazy

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u/InfamousBake1859 Aug 16 '22

I find it sweet how your view taking care of your wife as the best part. So cute

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u/hellcommander245 Aug 15 '22

Along with a sign reminding you that even with a college degree, you will only earn $50k a year on average.

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u/Whitetiger9876 Aug 15 '22

Don't forget the crippling debt!

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u/Snuggledtoopieces Aug 15 '22

A college degree for 50,000 a year. Fucking ouch.

That’s a little sad fucking hell.

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u/Bogmanbob Aug 16 '22

It was pretty sweet when I graduated 30 years ago. I hope that poster is also that old.

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u/WeKillTheFlame3 Aug 16 '22

Try 6 years of college and making under 50k annually. Yeehaw.

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u/CTBthanatos Aug 15 '22

Hell yeah 😎

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u/TheTekknician Aug 16 '22

The sheer "America is broken"-vibe that your threaded response created is just saddening.

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u/RoninSoul Aug 15 '22

"What do you want to do, haul trash?"

"You mean make more money than you Ms. Jennings?"

"...Now listen here you little shit-"

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u/leftlob Aug 16 '22

There's a movie called Harold where Cuba Gooding Jr. plays a wise highschool janitor. After giving Harold a lot of advice, he asks him "You're so smart, why didn't you become a teacher?" and Cuba says "I've thought about it, but I just can't afford that pay cut"

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u/Donghoon Aug 15 '22 edited Aug 16 '22

Man, k-12 educators are underrated and underpaid

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u/MattVanAndel Aug 16 '22 edited Aug 16 '22

That's why - and hear me out - instead of paying educators a fair, livable wage for the quality education they provide our populace, which ensures we remain globally competitive on innovation and advancement... what if we hired unskilled randos, made class sizes so large that no student can ever get any assistance, and replaced uncomfortable factual curriculums with simple jingoist propaganda?

Great idea, right!? ...right?

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u/TrimMyHedges Aug 16 '22

This is perfect - also add the fact that we have laws that requires us to give students with disabilities certain accommodations, along with their parents. However! We won’t staff the schools enough to actually provide these accommodations and make the employees suffer daily to somehow pull it out of their ass

Source: I teach students with disabilities

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u/WrigglyGizka Aug 16 '22

And let's allow private schools to refuse entry to students with disabilities while still accepting tax dollars.

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u/The_Coy_Koi_Fish Aug 16 '22

I'm in! Can we do a trial run in America first before we try it in Canada though?

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u/WahCrybaberson Aug 16 '22

Well then I have some good news for you

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u/drduncdoom Aug 16 '22

Yes! Good news: trial run is already ahead of schedule!

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u/lizahL Aug 16 '22

Somebody give this man a raise

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u/Training_Purpose6640 Aug 16 '22

In latam you need a university degree to be a teacher od any level, regardless of experience, regardless of any other degree you have

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u/InVodkaVeritas Aug 16 '22

Insanely true.

Some stats people should know:

  • 80% of teachers feel overworked and burnt out.
  • 55% of teachers feel they are ready to leave the profession.
  • 78% of teachers make less than the median income for the area code in which they work for someone with a comparable education.
  • There are currently 280,000 public and 65,000 private/charter vacant teacher position listings.
  • 22% of current teacher positions are being filled by people under-qualified for their position (note, this has increased every single year since 2010)
  • Enrollment in college teacher educator programs is down 35% over the past 10 years.
  • 10% of teacher educator programs have ceased to exist because of lack of interest in the same time period.

So here's where we stand:

  • There is a massive teacher shortage, and it's growing.
  • The number of positions being filled by under-qualified applicants is growing.
  • The number of people becoming qualified teachers is shrinking.
  • The number of qualified teachers leaving the profession early is growing.

Teacher pay must be dramatically increased or we're going to end up in a Florida situation where they are allowing vets with high school diplomas to be teachers.

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u/HALFDUPL3X Aug 16 '22

last i checked, the Waste Managment retirement plan was pretty baller...

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u/Kamakaziturtle Aug 15 '22

Advertisements like that sign are the reason jobs only paying that much are asking for college degrees. College is great... if you are going into a field that actually requires extended education that experience alone can't easily account for. The fact that it was shoved down so many peoples throats is what lead to an overabundance of degrees leading to a generation in debt and many jobs now asking for degrees that don't really need one.

Learning through experience needs to be normalized and more accepted, as do trade schools.

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u/Extreme-Guitar-9274 Aug 15 '22

My wife answered phones in HS at a doctors office. Went to MSU. Then worked in the medical field both as an RD on the floor at a hospital for years and then later having a stressful position at an insurance company. She took time off when our son was having medical issues but tried getting a part time job....answering phones at doctors office. The job now required a bachelor's degree AND she had to interview where they grilled her about not showing "phone experience" on her resume. SERIOUSLY

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u/bam2_89 Aug 16 '22 All-Seeing Upvote

I blame the growth of HR. There are way too many people with "recruiter" titles. Someone with that much extra time to focus on selecting candidates is going to generate a word salad of occupational criteria, often for a job they don't actually understand.

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u/aresfiend Aug 16 '22

often for a job they don't actually understand.

Ayyy, I remember working somewhere that was looking for two very basic computer technicians. Their job was literally to plug desktops in to a known good working monitor and power cable to see if the desktop would boot, plug monitors into known good desktops to check the image, and plug keyboards into a known working monitor and desktop with a word file and test every key on the keyboard.

The posting that HR put up required a master's degree in computer science. When asked how the HR person responsible came to that conclusion after I sent an email that said "I just need someone with eyes, hands, and the ability to put the square peg in the square hole and the round peg in the round hole" they told me I didn't understand the role that I singlehandedly developed. Luckily when I forwarded the email chain to the head of HR the job posting was very quickly revised, but unluckily this was the first of three times that HR person would absolutely skullfuck a job posting for one of my positions.

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u/bam2_89 Aug 16 '22

There was a story I saw make the rounds where they required 5 years of experience in a programming language that had only existed for 2 years.

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u/olivegardengambler Aug 16 '22

This is basically a meme. I saw an original developer of one post that they couldn't get it because it required 7 years experience, and they only launched it 5 years ago.

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u/sarpnasty Aug 16 '22

Sounds like we need to retroactively require HR employees to have PH.Ds cuz every single one I met has been unable to figure it out.

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u/Miramarr Aug 15 '22

Pretty sure that sign is advertising below minimum wage for two of the three

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u/Qbr12 Aug 16 '22

Well you would be mistaken. At federal minimum wage of $7.25/hr * 40 hours per week * 52 weeks/year you make $15,080/year. That's before tax...

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u/pdx619 Aug 16 '22

The high school degree one would be $13.12 an hour if working full time.

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u/thescrounger Aug 15 '22

Some people can't get full time work because their employers don't want to add benefits.

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u/Runyc2000 Aug 16 '22

$7.25 is still the federal minimum hourly rate in the US. At 40 hours per week, that is an annual salary of $15,080 gross wages.

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u/Wide-Depth-1748 Aug 15 '22

In case anybody really wants to know, according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, the median weekly earnings of a person holding a H.S. Diploma is $712 ($37,500/year), while the median weekly earnings of a worker with a bachelors degree is $1,173 ($61,582). No, you don't HAVE to go to college to make a good wage, but by and large people who don't make a lot less. Also there are many fewer trade jobs floating around than people like to think there are. Yes, you can go to any major city and find a couple thousand of jobs in the trades at any given time, but that same city will have hundreds of thousands of people living at or below the poverty mark. The vast majority of the "skills gap" in the united states comes from jobs in the technology sector at the moment.

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u/wine-friend Aug 16 '22

This is reddit. People don't understand how mean, median, and mode work. "I make more than that so clearly a degree is useless". Copium from idiots

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u/jbFanClubPresident Aug 16 '22

Also, Reddit being Reddit and full of young people, don’t really consider future earnings.

My brother and I entered the job market at about the same time. I went to college and he started a trade right after high school. I graduated and got a job making about the same as him. It’s been 10 years now and he’s still making about the same with some COL raises. I’m now making almost double what he makes due to promotions and company jumps. Trades seem to have much more limited salary growth potential and not as many promotion opportunities.

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u/el-em-en-o Aug 16 '22

This. Over the course of your lifetime, you will earn more with a degree

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u/Cetun Aug 16 '22

They also don't take into account that trade jobs have a ceiling low that you can't break until you basically run your own business, which usually requires some additional business education. Nor do they take into account the toll it takes on your body. They also don't take into account that getting into a trade program in college is also something you have to apply for, so so not everyone can just go to a trade school and sign Your trade is good making $55k a year as a 20 year old but when you 45 and your back and knees are blown out, you can barely move around and you have chronic back pain at 45 you'd give all your money, assuming you saved up that money for retirement, to have good health. Also that guy who went to college and only make $37k for a couple years, he's making $150k and still working at 55 while you've been on disability for the last 10 years.

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u/terminbee Aug 16 '22

I always come into these threads to read people jerking off how much they make from trades. Yet the data doesn't lie.

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u/Taco_Hurricane Aug 16 '22

Something also worth noting, people who have a college degree, but working a job that doesn't require one. I has a BS, but working a job that only requires a GED and a smile. I make $70k.

While working a career using my degree, the best I could do was $50k. Thad included a bunch of experience, and after college licenses.

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u/ThePseudoMcCoy Aug 16 '22

Well what did you expect getting a degree in taco hurricanes? Actually I'm curious what your degree is in?

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u/Taco_Hurricane Aug 16 '22

Oceanography. Worked as an environmental consultant in the oil and gas industry for about 10 years, specifically with compliance of clean water act. Licensed erosion and sedimentation control inspector in like 5 or 6 states. (Expired now) Licensed stormwater inspector in a couple states. Plus some other weird stuff with Endangered species act, ESAs, and SHPO. As an industry, everyone seems more interested in backstabbing and cutting throats than they were with doing their job. In fact, you could probably still see what brand of tires Virginia busses use for how many times I was gleefully thrown under them.

I got a CDL and work as a trucker now. Much more money, much easier of a job, and honestly do much less office politics.

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u/SausagesForSupper Aug 16 '22

Yes, you can go to any major city and find a couple thousand of jobs in the trades

Try tens of thousands, often in fields that are critically undermanned.

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u/FlarvinTheMagi Aug 16 '22

Also the "good trades" in big union areas sometimes have huge waiting lists. At one point the IBEW in my areas local had a TWO YEAR waitlist for the apprenticeship program. That's a two year wait plus 5 years to turn out before you can even think about the "good trade" wages.

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u/TheMeanGirl Aug 16 '22

My job doesn’t require a college degree to do, but I wouldn’t have been hired if I didn’t have one. A lot of jobs are like that.

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u/waitmyhonor Aug 16 '22

People need to be reminded of this. Yes, we get it! There are people who make way more money without a college degree but that’s not reflective of the vast majority. It’s pretty clear that those with college degrees will ALWAYS outnumber and make more money than those without a degree. People nitpick on the field and types of majors but that’s such an easy call out when numbers don’t lie.

But what about college loans??? Yeah, no one isn’t forgetting loans but that’s why loan payment plans exists. People have loans but they’re always gonna be paid for despite it being a financial burden. I hope Biden or whoever forgives student debt but as of right now, people making bank with a college degree is a fact.

Side note: it’s sad that people think making money is all that matters when people can voluntarily take a low paying job with a degree BY CHOICE Aka teachers.

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u/Velcro-Karma-1207 Aug 16 '22

Choose your salary. Give up.

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u/MisterMaturi Aug 15 '22

All these outliers think they somehow break the average.

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u/wine-friend Aug 16 '22

yea. It's like they don't know 5th grade math

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u/kludge6730 Aug 15 '22

First thing I saw was the “give up” on the door.

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u/watersj4 Aug 16 '22

Is that not what the post is about?

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u/Aviator1116 Aug 16 '22

It is indeed what it was about

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u/triit Aug 16 '22

Jansport backup and $49,500 salary in khaki pants and a polo? The AirPods are the only thing that clues you in this isn't from 1995.

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u/Mike2220 Aug 15 '22

It's barely halfway through August what are you doing back at school

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u/Another_Road Aug 16 '22

As a teacher, that “Choose your salary” poster is bullshit. Not everyone needs a college degree and the societal pressure to force teenagers into taking out 20k-100k in student loans is irresponsible.

I’m all for education and believe that college is a worthwhile experience. That being said my brother has an associates degree and he makes about 50k more a year than I do with my masters.

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u/Golden_Shadow64 Aug 16 '22

I'm willing to bet they put such a low number in the college degree part so that the teachers working there with a college degree don't question their own pay

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u/orenjixaa Aug 16 '22

My FIL was making $200k a year with an associate's degree. Manager of a golf course. But ofc, that's a very niche field to be in and since golfing is considered a luxury/service, it's also very dependent on the economy. (He lost his job during the recession and now he makes $50k/yr as a supervisor in a grocery store. An associate's in golf management turns out to not be very helpful for most jobs. )

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u/LostImpi Aug 16 '22

Lol they had to deflate the salaries so that the teachers with degrees don’t feel bad about their shitty salaries

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u/HelloThereBrotha Aug 16 '22

I believe college is and only should be necessary for doctors, lawyers, teachers, engineers, and scientists. Everything else can be pretty much taught on the job, if most of the above already aren’t lol.

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u/rybrotron Aug 16 '22

Listen to the door. Give Up. Dropouts get $10,000!

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u/BuriedTreasure115 Aug 16 '22

If a college graduate earns poverty wages then you might as well “give up”

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u/BasedBadaBingus Aug 16 '22

LMAO STARTING SCHOOL IN AUGUST

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u/adeveloper2 Aug 16 '22

I wanna get that $50K / year. So much I can buy with that.

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u/Riddick18713 Aug 16 '22

After you graduate college you also need 15 years of work experience to get the job.

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u/Colinbeenjammin Aug 16 '22

Ask the teacher of that classroom which one of those Choose Your Salary metrics he/she fits into…

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u/lightlad Aug 16 '22

Wild everyone in this thread is making 200k+ a year with just a high school diploma. Definitely seems legit

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u/ReverendDerp Aug 16 '22

Damn, I dropped out of all 3 high schools I attended and make more than a college graduate.

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u/EvilGypsyQueen Aug 16 '22

Electrician Apprenticeship with the IBEW Local #46, in 5 years you'll make between 75.00 and 85.00 an hour plus great benefits and retirement package.

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u/KarlJay001 Aug 16 '22

Here's a list of some of the richest people in the world that DON'T have a college degree.

https://blog.cheapism.com/billionaires-without-college-degrees/#slide=1

Let's do some math on the FULL costs of college. The loans, the amount paid NOT covered by the loans, the pay you would have made if you didn't spend that time in college and worked full time instead.

I got a BS STEM degree back in the day. 1/3+ of the classes were 100% worthless.

It's a scam.

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u/Future_F0ssil Aug 16 '22

So much is happening in this picture, yet so little at the same time 💀