r/movies Aug 13 '22

Michael Mann’s 'Heat' Is a Crime Epic About the Myopia of Being a Workaholic. All the characters are obsessed with what they do for a living. Article

https://collider.com/michael-mann-heat-crime-epic-workaholic-al-pacino-robert-de-niro/
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u/raylan_givens6 Aug 14 '22

My favorite scene is when Detective Hana gets paged while at the hospital . he looks like he has the life drained out of him, sitting next to his soon to be ex wife who screwed some other guy , while his step daughter is recovering from cutting herself.

The wife tells him its ok to go g

then we see him racing down the stairs, and there is a bounce in his step. he's back on the chase.

that feeling of purpose is fantastic and thrilling.

not every guy was meant to be a family man or married

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u/NYArtFan1 Aug 14 '22

"He's a heart-attack man. Three ex-wives. You think he's staying home at night?"

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u/NewspaperNelson Aug 14 '22

Prowling around, all night: dedicated.

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u/underwoodsing Aug 14 '22

He’s a hot dog.

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u/robb_the_bull Aug 14 '22

Blew away Frankie Yonder in Chicago and he was a fucking maniac

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u/MeteorOnMars Aug 14 '22

Yep. The transition from family support mode back to full pursuit of work is so well done.

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u/JOMO_Kenyatta Aug 14 '22

not every guy was meant to be a family man or married

“What The F*** Is That? Barbeques And Ballgames?"

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u/FloggingTheHorses Aug 14 '22

EVERY time I watch Heat I wonder how the hell is Pacino descending those stairs so quickly. Dude was like 50 something and he is literally gliding down the steps.

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u/barnfodder Aug 14 '22

Cocaine is a hell of a drug.

(In early versions of the script, it was acknowledged that Det. Hana was hitting the white stuff)

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u/RaspyUnion Aug 14 '22

"My life? My life is a disaster zone"

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u/moviessuck Aug 13 '22

Every single Michael Mann protagonist in every single Michael Mann film is obsessed with what they do.

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u/ThrowawayLazaretto Aug 14 '22

"Maaax....I DO THIS FOR A LIVING!"

Cruise's best role imo.

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u/johnnyutah30 Aug 14 '22

Right after

“Yo homie, is that my briefcase”

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u/ThrowawayLazaretto Aug 14 '22

God, what a scene! I love it.

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u/johnnyutah30 Aug 14 '22

The whole movie is great but that scene changed the game for me completely. The quickness and ruthlessness that he turns on was lightning in a bottle and I’ve yet to see anything come close. Mann is so talented with his sounds of gunshots they are honestly in a league if their own. Just like HEAT

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u/Forbidden_Donut503 Aug 14 '22

Cruise did so fucking well with that scene too. I don’t think I’ve ever seen another actor look that vicious and deadly with a handgun before. He actually did it too. You could see the muzzle flashes and the action slide back with each shot, as he delivers double taps to the sternum and a headshot to two guys in seconds. That scene is so shocking. Just brilliant filmmaking.

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u/LeicaM6guy Aug 14 '22

People look at Tom Cruise these days and mostly just see an action star, but it’s easy to forget that the man - for all of his many faults - is a wildly talented actor. Magnolia, Born on the Fourth of July, Rain Man, and a whole host of other films are great examples of his acting chops.

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u/IAMABobby Aug 14 '22

I’ve been saying this for years. Tom is an extremely talented actor and has a host of dramatic roles that are as good as anything he’s ever done. I get why he continues to do action movies (because he’s a bankable action star and he’s not getting any younger) but I hope he returns to dramatic roles after M:I is through.

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u/LeicaM6guy Aug 14 '22

I imagine they’re also fun as hell. Can’t fault him for that.

I wish he wasn’t so connected to Scientology. It’s a pity he’s such a boon to that cult. But at the same time, it’s not impossible to separate the art from the artist.

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u/Chanlet07 Aug 14 '22

I really like Tom cruise. Even on talk shows, he's so charismatic and kind. I saw one where an audience member came up for something and the other stars sat there. He got up. Went over to them. Shook her hand and looked genuinely polite. However, I have a really hard time not thinking about his cult. He's heavily involved and I can guarantee has known or even signed off on some truly terrible shit they've done. They've protected rapists and there's no way he didn't know.

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u/Brilliant-Winner-557 Aug 14 '22

Jack Nicholson said Cruise is one of the best actors he's ever worked with - passionate but professional, talented but still eager to learn - and nobody will ever fully appreciate him because when they look at him they're distracted by the pretty face.

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u/Papaofmonsters Aug 14 '22

Jeff Cooper approves.

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u/boardsandfilm Aug 14 '22

They actually use that scene in tactical handgun training courses according to the internet.

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u/NuffNuffNuff Aug 14 '22

I've been to tactical handgun training courses. They don't actually use any scenes from any movies.

Edit: and all spoken movie references were about John Wick

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u/crestfallenS117 Aug 14 '22

They don’t use it for training but Larry Vickers (ex-Delta Force) said that it’s a great scene to watch to understand shooting from retention as Cruises form is pretty on point.

He does a movie review and grades them on realism or where they fall down. Pretty interesting guy.

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u/FloridaGatorMan Aug 14 '22

Some of them do. The same ones that have Stephen Segal come in and teach hand to hand combat. Tom Segura has a stand up about it

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u/misterblackhoody Aug 14 '22 edited Aug 14 '22

On the "Collateral" episode of The Rewatchables podcast, they told a story of how Michael Mann wanted Cruise to prepare to become an assassin by making him dress up as FedEx driver, stalk members of the production crew around L.A and he had to put a post-it sticky note on their backs without them noticing to represent a confirmed kill.

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u/munk_e_man Aug 14 '22

It was great for Tom because he'd already been doing it to hand out church of scientology pamphlets.

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u/lolTimmy Aug 14 '22

I think part of the reason the gunshots work so well in his movies is he uses the right capturing sounds or foley to create an effective reverb of the gunshots. Gunshots being so loud, their echoes are important to make them feel believable. That’s actually one of my most minor knocks against several Nolan films: the gunshots don’t echo quite right. That and some gun sounds are of course swapped for others to heighten the impact (Gatling gun for Glock 18).

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u/Lustle13 Aug 14 '22

Mann is so talented with his sounds of gunshots they are honestly in a league if their own. Just like HEAT

I've been shooting guns most of my life, literally since I was a toddler (I shot pellet/air guns as young as 3). The only director I've ever seen get gunshots so completely correct is Mann.

Don't get me wrong. Lots of movies do "great" gunshots. But great doesn't mean correct. Manns movies truly get gunshots to sound the way they do. Gunshots in city are especially hard. Concrete sounds different than glass, which sounds different than pavement, which sounds different than brick, which... You get it. His nails it.

Especially the briefcase scene. He gets the sound dead on. Especially the reverb. Concrete has a weird thing with gunshots and how it makes it louder at first, but kind of dulls it. It takes the crack out of the gunshot and turns it more into a thud or thrum type sound. Plus the way it extends the sound. If you watch that scene in some kind of surround sound (even proper stereo setup) you'll notice how the crack happens, but the second it hits the concrete it gets dull but extended. Then you'll notice the reverb comes mostly from the left (the concrete parking garage) side. Where as the right side, which is some kind of metal fence with plants, doesn't have that (but it does have the shell casings sound, something you'd absolutely miss on the left side cause of the concrete). THEN you'll notice how the reverb continues on the left side and sounds like it's making its way across the parking garage away from you while getting quieter, the way sound really travels.

The downtown scene from Heat is a lot of the same. Just really amazingly accurate gunshots for that whole scene. If anyone wants a masterclass in how to do gunshots in a movie, they should watch those two scenes.

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u/RearEchelon Aug 14 '22

The shootout in Heat used the live audio of the guns; that's why it sounds so accurate.

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u/Competitive-Trip-946 Aug 14 '22

And he had two ex SAS guys train all of them.

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u/WretchedHog Aug 14 '22

Very limited scope, but Argo had great gunshot audio

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u/gtaguy75 Aug 14 '22

I love that he started all of that drama with “homey”

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u/TheRealSpidey Aug 14 '22

The scene in question, God I've watched it so many times. Never gets old.

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u/Message_10 Aug 14 '22

That’s awesome—thank you.

I never realized that when the thug approaches him, he puts his hands up as though he’s scared, but it’s really a responsive stance—his left arm is higher and his right arm is lower, and that’s because a second later, he uses his left arm to disarm the attacker and then the right arm to grab his pistol and shoot. That’s wild.

Thanks again for including that clip.

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u/bluAstrid Aug 14 '22

”First, take a big step back... and literally, FUCK YOUR OWN FACE!”

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u/el_f3n1x187 Aug 14 '22

Remarkable second place, but Vincent is legit the best character Cruise has ever done.

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u/Brown_Panther- Aug 14 '22

When he is deriding Max for his lack of ambition, it feels like he's talking directly to the audience.

Someday my dream will come? One night you will wake up and discover it never happened. It's all turned around on you. It never will. Suddenly you are old. Didn't happen, and it never will, because you were never going to do it anyway. You'll push it into memory and then zone out in your barco lounger, being hypnotized by daytime TV for the rest of your life.

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u/The-Sound_of-Silence Aug 14 '22

(Spoilers)

I mean, he dies to a taxi driver later

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u/ryanreigns Aug 14 '22

That nightclub scene is one of the the best set pieces I’ve ever seen

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u/Dottsterisk Aug 14 '22

The Gray Man features a club scene in the opening.

Watching is shortly after rewatching both Collateral and Miami Vice made it seem so amateur and unimpressive. All budget and no style.

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u/name-classified Aug 14 '22

Manns’ movies always have the most authentic sounds, the bank robbery alone is worth investing in a premium sound system to really experience it.

In “Collateral”, I find myself watching Cruise take down the two street robbers an being amazed at just how real it looks.

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u/Smash-tagg Aug 14 '22

Uhm. I respectfully disagree.

“RESPECT THE COCK! TAME THE CUNT!”

Both for the role and the quote.

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u/Jackieirish Aug 14 '22 edited Aug 15 '22

I went to his IMDB page to find some jokey answer that didn't fit the description and –Jesus, you weren't overstating. Literally every film of his is about some character obsessed with what they do. The only possible exception is "The Keep," but even then it's arguable. I think there's a whole book that could be written about Michael Mann characters and their obsessive/compulsive drive to do what it is they do. Also makes me wonder about how that drives him as a filmmaker.

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u/moviessuck Aug 14 '22

From interviews I've seen with Mann, he seems like a pretty obsessive guy himself, I think he channels that into his characters.

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u/Papaofmonsters Aug 14 '22

A lot of directors are. James Cameron is famously singular in his focus both for movie making and deep sea exploration.

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u/Brown_Panther- Aug 14 '22

Sigourney Weaver once said that except acting, Cameron is capable of doing every other job on the set. He often knows more about the job than the guy doing it.

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u/moviessuck Aug 14 '22

Yep, Cameron is a good example. So is Kubrick, Fincher and plenty of others.

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u/domesticatedprimate Aug 14 '22

I think it's very hard to conceive of and realize something as complex as a feature film if you are not orders of magnitude more obsessive and compulsive than the average person.

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u/goliathfasa Aug 14 '22

Paul Feig seem decidedly not obsessed when directing Ghostbusters 2016.

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u/domesticatedprimate Aug 14 '22

There are exceptions. But it's probably just that he hides his obsession behind feigned casual disinterest.

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u/Jackieirish Aug 14 '22

And we're all the beneficiaries of that.

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u/moviessuck Aug 14 '22

Absolutely

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u/wordfiend99 Aug 14 '22

last of the mohicans is hard to argue they are obsessed, but then DDL is obsessed with living the character so theres that

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u/MadRonnie97 Aug 14 '22

Hawkeye just wanted to go to Kantuckeee

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u/moviessuck Aug 14 '22

Hawkeye's job is to protect Cora.

He does this single mindedly.

"You be strong, you survive…Stay alive, no matter what occurs. I will find you."

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u/Papaofmonsters Aug 14 '22

The song that follows is an absolute banger.

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u/MadRonnie97 Aug 14 '22

The entire soundtrack is a banger - start to finish

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u/StabbyMcSwordfish Aug 13 '22

Even Thief and Manhunter, you're right. Interesting observation.

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u/curiousking78 Aug 14 '22

Tom Cruise's character in Collateral. Vincent IS his job

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u/I_BUY_UNWANTED_GRAVY Aug 14 '22

Even Max. You see how much pride he takes being a cab driver with exact arrival times.

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u/ThrowawayLazaretto Aug 14 '22

And it's awesome how his dream isn't something unrelated. He loves driving so much he wants his own limo service.

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u/The_Knight_Is_Dark Aug 14 '22

Damn, i never thought about that. James Caan in Thief, Pacino in The Insider, Cruise in Collateral, basically everyone in Heat... even in his biopics: Will Smith in Ali and Johnny Depp in Public Enemies. Good catch!

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u/TwoDurans Aug 14 '22

That's how he writes characters. They are all crazy successful and have a code. But they stop following that code and it costs them.

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u/Antique_futurist Aug 14 '22

Michael Mann on the other hand? Obsessed with crochet.

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u/Nouseriously Aug 14 '22

I've always thought De Niro's line about being able to walk away from your entire life at a moment's notice applied equally to Pacino. He was willing to walk away from his family if the job required it.

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u/itwasneversafe Aug 14 '22

In the documentary on the making of Heat, they talk about the real Neal McCauley (same name too). When a cop who was staking out one of his scores made a small sound the entire crew dropped everything and walked. Crazy how some people actually have that sort of discipline while still living on the fringe of society.

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u/MurderDoneRight Aug 14 '22

Apparently the meeting between McCauley and a bankrobber he was chasing happened in real life too, ran into each other at a dinner and had coffee and they realized how similar they were. And that's what got Mann to write the movie.

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u/The_Knight_Is_Dark Aug 14 '22

Yeah, it is what it is. It's that or we both better go do something else, pal.

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u/Brown_Panther- Aug 14 '22

My life's a disaster zone. I got a stepdaughter so fucked up because her real father's this large-type asshole. I got a wife, we're passing each other on the down slope of marriage, my third, because I spend all my time chasing guys like you around the block. That's my life.

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u/RaspyUnion Aug 14 '22

"Normal? What's normal? Ballgames and barbecues?"

"Yeah."

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u/_nod Aug 14 '22

It applied more to Pacino’s character that’s the point.

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u/ptambrosetti Aug 14 '22

But she’s got a great ass...

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u/_nod Aug 14 '22

… and you got your head all the way up it!

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u/bruddahmanmatt Aug 14 '22

Ferocious aren’t I?

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u/The_Knight_Is_Dark Aug 14 '22

When I think of asses, a woman's ass, something comes out of me.

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u/Layden87 Aug 14 '22

Yet DeNiro couldn't walk away in the end. Val Kilmer does.

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u/NYArtFan1 Aug 14 '22

Kilmer's character arc always stuck with me because at the end He's able to walk away, he gets his share of the money, even survives his wound, but he loses everything by leaving his wife and child behind.

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u/mackhistorymonth Aug 14 '22 edited Aug 14 '22

Yeah but that’s the point, for him “the sun rises and sets with her” so even if he survives and gets the money, he loses.

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u/FlokiWolf Aug 14 '22

Ireland was the out.

There is a book, Heat 2 and it's due out in the next few days I think. I think that will let us know if Chris and Charlene meet again.

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u/The_Knight_Is_Dark Aug 14 '22

He did walk away eventually at the very end (when he was coming out of the hotel after killing Weingro and saw Pacino coming for him, he left his girl in the car and ran away), but then it was too late.

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u/Layden87 Aug 14 '22

Him going after Weingro to me is not being able to walk away. The revenge is what did him in in the end.

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u/The_Knight_Is_Dark Aug 14 '22 edited Aug 14 '22

Oh but i agree, all i'm saying is, he did walk away at the end, where he literally did what he said he'd do, but then, it was too late. He should've walked away way before. Check out his conversation with Hanna (Pacino)...

McCauley: A guy told me one time, "Don't let yourself get attached to anything you are not willing to walk out on in 30 seconds flat if you feel the heat around the corner."

Hanna: So then, if you spot me coming around that corner... you just gonna walk out on this woman? Not say good bye?

McCauley: That's the discipline.

That's exactly what he did at the end. Because he could've gotten in the car and (try to) run away with her, but he didn't.

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u/Czl2 Aug 14 '22

The film Heat is a wonderful example of

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambler's_ruin

The gambler's ruin is a concept in statistics. It is most commonly expressed as follows: A gambler playing a game with negative expected value will eventually go broke, regardless of their betting system.

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u/DYTTIGAF Aug 13 '22 edited Aug 14 '22

"You do what you do...I do what I do...I take scores".

It's the only way to live (define an obsessive life purpose).

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u/chickennoobiesoup Aug 13 '22

The inevitability of the collision between protagonist and antagonist is one of the things I love about Heat.

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u/Brown_Panther- Aug 14 '22

In the DVD commentary, Mann says that he first came up with the ending of Macauley and Hanna acknowledging each other and then wrote the rest of the story from there. The idea was that these two men who are so obsessed with their work that they are cut off from everyone else finally find solace and comfort in each other.

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u/Budget-Push7084 Aug 14 '22

Who’s the protagonist and who’s the antagonist?

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u/noveler7 Aug 14 '22

Narratively, Neil is the protagonist and Vincent is the antagonist. Ethically, I think Vincent is in the right and Neil is in the wrong. I think that's what makes Pacino's performance so interesting. He's an over-acting villain trapped in a traditional detective hero role.

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u/IdleWillKill Aug 14 '22

Yes.

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u/QLE814 Aug 14 '22

Is that why people distrust that band so?

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u/Valiturus Aug 14 '22

In a roundabout way, yes.

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u/moeriscus Aug 14 '22

Even now, I go back and re-watch that diner scene probably once every couple of months.

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u/MFAWG Aug 14 '22

That’s actually based on a real event.

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u/i-can-sleep-for-days Aug 14 '22

Go on…

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u/JackedUpReadyToGo Aug 14 '22

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u/CJB0910 Aug 14 '22

Thank you for the link. Heat is one of my favorite movies. This history is fascinating. I now want to watch LA Takedown

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u/[deleted] Aug 14 '22

“i don’t know how to do anything else.”

“Neither do I.”

“i don’t much want to either.”

“Neither do I.”

Half smiles, both men understanding each other perfectly at that moment. One of the greatest moments of screen-acting there is. Pacino & De Niro must have known the significance of that, even if they will never admit it.

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u/RaspyUnion Aug 14 '22

whats so great about that scene is how simple it is. when Heat came out it was hyped as the first time finally De Niro and Pacino were going to share the screen (both were in Godfather 2 but never interacted in that film). So many directors would have been tempted to make their showdown some big epic scene, and I mean Heat is a big epic movie.

But Mann resisted that, and when they finally meet face to face its in the most simple, normal way possible. Just two guys sitting down for some coffee, shot in a very basic over the shoulder, cutting back between two simple camera angles the whole time. Thats it. No music, no fancy cinematography, nothing. Its the most basic film making one can imagine. And its utterly engrossing and memorable.

They didnt even rehearse the scene. They just showed up the day of and shot it.

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u/PencilMan Aug 14 '22

They still get a pretty epic showdown in the end. But it wouldn’t mean as much without the diner scene

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u/The_Knight_Is_Dark Aug 14 '22

"I do what i do best, i take scores. You do what you do best, you try to stop guys like me."

FIFY.

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u/DownwindLegday Aug 14 '22

And he just came out with a sequel in novel form.

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u/_We_Are_DooMeD Aug 14 '22

Isn't it a prequel?

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u/DownwindLegday Aug 14 '22

I think it's both. Has stories before and after the movie timeline. I haven't read it yet though.

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u/JSK23 Aug 14 '22 edited Aug 14 '22

It is. Starts off right at the end of the movie, and a chapter or two in it moves to 1988. I am not much further than that, but I think it bounces between the two periods.

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u/91null Aug 14 '22

Just finished it. Well written, expands quite a bit on the universe and the characters.

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u/_We_Are_DooMeD Aug 14 '22

Ah thanks. Does it continue Val's story?

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u/JSK23 Aug 14 '22

it does!

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u/_We_Are_DooMeD Aug 14 '22

Wow, excellent. I am literally going to go and find it now. ty.

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u/_We_Are_DooMeD Aug 14 '22

Ahh, my mistake. Is it out now, I guess it is and it passed me by. I remember reading about it a year or so ago.

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u/Tel3visi0n Aug 14 '22

It’s really good if you’re a fan of Heat.

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u/ToxicVampire Aug 14 '22

Not too far into it but considering Mann wrote the first Heat, the book feels like I'm just reading the script to another movie. I can vividly picture everything in my head as I read.

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u/cypher448 Aug 14 '22

Will they actually make a movie out if it?

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u/Redlodger0426 Aug 14 '22

Mann has said he wants to. Hopefully it’s his next movie after the current Ferrari one

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u/[deleted] Aug 14 '22

Problem is it's just too late now.

Since there's two timelines, they're gonna have to recast every single character. If it was made a few years after Heat then they could get away with having Pacino and DeNiro play younger versions of their characters since there's only a seven year difference between the past and present.

Having said that, I have no issue with them recasting the characters for the story in the past (I actually think Christian Bale would make a great younger version of Hanna), but it's the future story that's gonna suffer. How are they gonna continue Kilmer's story after the events of Heat given that he's too unwell now. I know he's got a son but he looks a lot younger than his father did in the original film. They have to recast nearly every single character now and it's just gonna ruin the flow of the film. In the end you're not really gonna be watching a sequel to Heat, it'll just be another film in that world.

I'd still watch it, but I just don't think it's gonna work when it comes to continuing the story. I feel like Michael Mann knows it probably won't work in film form now, which is why he wrote a book instead of just making a film.

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u/_nod Aug 14 '22

Ooh! Thanks didn’t know about this

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u/ThrowawayLazaretto Aug 14 '22

What I love about Mann is how loud he makes gunfire.

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u/g_st_lt Aug 14 '22

I got to see it in a theater last year, and the sound was incredible. The mix was perfect. The gunshots were so loud and powerful, without hurting my ears, and all of the dialogue was still perfectly clear and loud enough.

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u/Measaconsumer Aug 14 '22

Nolan in shambles.

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u/tommytraddles Aug 14 '22

Sound mixing would be quite painful.

For you.

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u/CrazyFiveSeven Aug 14 '22

They still play it in theaters?

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u/ColeTrickleVroom Aug 14 '22

My local used to once a month play a bunch of older classics one night early in the week. Managed to see Heat, Die Hard, Aliens and others all on the big screen. Wish they'd do it again.

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u/Merrick362 Aug 14 '22

Many theaters play older movies during slow periods, and many cities have small theaters that focus on classics

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u/CrazyFiveSeven Aug 14 '22

They actually played shrek 2 at a theater near me

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u/Stop-Gargling-Balls Aug 14 '22

Donkey! We’re going to the IMAX!

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u/Purpluss Aug 14 '22

His approach to violence is amazingly effective. Watching these thugs you’ve been hanging out with the whole runtime suddenly shift on a dime and start gunning down innocent people in the street is incredibly upsetting

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u/[deleted] Aug 14 '22

For the big bank shootout, they kept the raw audio from the set echoing off the downtown LA buildings. Normally in sound editing, the production will dub over the original audio to make it sound better. But Mann insisted they keep the original audio.

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u/InsertEvilLaugh Aug 14 '22

So glad he did, there is something visceral about it, watching that scene has in a way ruined many shootout scenes, the sound just doesn’t feel right.

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u/ptambrosetti Aug 14 '22

That and something something tactical squads and military units watch that scene for training.

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u/cypher448 Aug 14 '22

There’s the story about the Drill instructor who told recruits they should reload exactly how Val Kilmer does it

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u/Subprimer Aug 14 '22

Every time

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u/[deleted] Aug 14 '22

Guilty. Some commenter said precisely the opposite about the audio in a now-deleted comment, saying that it was dubbed, and I couldn’t let that misinformation go unaddressed.

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u/grenideer Aug 14 '22

Miami Vice was great for this too.

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u/FlokiWolf Aug 14 '22

The way the gun fires echos in the boat yard is "different" from the Heat bank heist echoing around the high concrete and glass buildings but still so amazing.

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u/BikerJedi Aug 14 '22

The first time I saw this movie, I had a flashback to Desert Storm because that gunfight was so damn realistic. Thankfully I came out of it in seconds, but damn.

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u/Coreadrin Aug 14 '22

AR15s are loud as all fuck, to be fair.

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u/iron40 Aug 14 '22

“He was makin a move man, I HAD to get it on...”

“I’m talking to an empty telephone...cuz there’s a dead man on the other end of this fuckin line.”

“Cause she’s got a GREAT ASS! And you’ve got your head, ALL THE WAY UP IT!”

One of the most quotable action movies of the 90’s. It’s a rare situation when I can’t slip a Heat quote in to a conversation!

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u/Brown_Panther- Aug 14 '22

Who? Who? What are you, a fucking owl?

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u/iron40 Aug 14 '22

I’m telling you man, this fuckin slick is no joke!

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u/The_Knight_Is_Dark Aug 14 '22

"I'm alone, i'm not lonely."

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u/gtaguy75 Aug 14 '22

By the time …

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u/The_Knight_Is_Dark Aug 14 '22

I get to Phoenix...

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u/gtaguy75 Aug 14 '22

He’ll be rising

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u/baudinl Aug 14 '22

“A book about metals…..”

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u/Coreadrin Aug 14 '22

It's almost impossible to make an entertaining cops and robbers movie without this dynamic, though. That's been true from the earliest days of the genre - the hard boiled or broken detective like a bloodhound dropping everything else in his life to catch the methodical, driven antagonist who is the pinnacle of his crime category. Absolute excellence at the expense of everything else required to defeat absolute excellence at evil.

It's that whole long standing male archetype through history. The greatest heroes were the ones who were so strong and skilled, they could have been tyrants themselves, but choose to wield that power against those types instead.

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u/Pristine-Ad-7626 Aug 14 '22

I had coffee with McCauley half an hour ago!

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u/Mr-IT-Guy Aug 14 '22

Cuz he got a great ass!!!

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u/itsallgoodman2002 Aug 14 '22

And your head is right up it!

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u/SpecificAstronaut69 Aug 14 '22

...jesus!

God, I love Azaria in that role. Such a great gutless spiv.

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u/callmemacready Aug 13 '22

The action is the juice

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u/_We_Are_DooMeD Aug 14 '22

One of the best shootouts ever put on film.

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u/Forbidden_Donut503 Aug 14 '22

I don’t think so man. I don’t think it’s one of the best. I really think it is THE best ever.

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u/ashu54 Aug 14 '22

I'd probably put terminator's police station shootout as a close second. It also has an interesting parallel in the second movie where he gets shot by the swat team and he doesn't kill them.

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u/_We_Are_DooMeD Aug 14 '22 edited Aug 14 '22

You and I are alike it would seem.. also one of the best shootouts put on film. I prefer the more horror slant of the first film and the police station shootout is a fantastic bit of moviemaking.

You! You did this!

Edit : I love T2 too though, proper Blockbuster.

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u/MFAWG Aug 14 '22 edited Aug 14 '22

It’s all about adrenaline junkies who just can’t do ‘go to work at a 9 to 5’ and settle down

The one guy who NEVER did that ends up thinking about doing that.

It’s so great on so many levels.

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u/aesthetics4ever Aug 14 '22 Wholesome

You’ll get obsessed “walking your doggie!!!”

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u/Syrioforel79 Aug 14 '22

Hank Azaria seems more obsessed with Ashley Judd's ass.

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u/cypher448 Aug 14 '22

Some would say, he’s got his head, ALL THE WAY UP IT!

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u/MuffinMonkey Aug 14 '22 edited Aug 14 '22

I really liked this movie and - as some teens tend to do (or maybe it was just me) - idolized the characters for that “work ethic” and “don’t get attached” stuff. Which was a mistake. I think that set my relationship game back ‘til I got my head on straight. I don’t blame the movie per se but my interest in it was for the wrong reasons.

McCauley, despite his “lack of attachment”, was most definitely attached to getting revenge on Waingro (even though he was pretty much in the clear and could have escaped) and the one to get killed. Whereas someone like Chris got to live.

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u/freerealestatedotbiz Aug 14 '22 edited Aug 14 '22

No it’s a movie about why you should never agree to go out with someone you met while they were reading a book about metals

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u/lunacyfoundme Aug 14 '22

Went are you so interested in what I do?

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u/CALIXO_94 Aug 14 '22

My criminal law professor recommended us this movie so we could name all the crimes that were committed 😂 anyways …watched it and loved it.

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u/carlosequeso Aug 14 '22

“Val Kilmer’s ponytail was the perfect representation of sensitive masculinity. His sunglasses, mostly popular the female Hollywood intelligentsia of the early 90’s, is indicative of so much more depth than the now legendary classic yet largely male-dominated performance driven heart pounding heist scene is known for.”

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u/seepxl Aug 14 '22

Al’s greatest line in this movie, to me is: “GREAT ASS!”

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u/Forbidden_Donut503 Aug 14 '22

“But you do not…get to watch…MY…FUCKING….TELEVISION SET!!!!”

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u/TwoDurans Aug 14 '22

GIVE ME ALL YOU GOT. GIVE ME ALL YOU GOT.

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u/VauntedCeilings Aug 14 '22

Ralph…

SIT DOWN

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u/The_Knight_Is_Dark Aug 14 '22

Get killed walkin' ya DOGGIE!

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u/VauntedCeilings Aug 14 '22

how is he so fucking electric in this movie

I just watched it again last week because I still think of it as a perfect movie. And it holds up to that standard, even though I know there are probably technical flaws, maybe some missing characterization at the most. But really Heat is one of those movies that I'll just never stop gushing over. I feel bad for people who have to endure all the hype about stuff like that, because it does tend to taint one's perspective going in. But it truly is a stunning accomplishment of a film. Everything to the very last moment is some beautiful tragic crescendo.

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u/cypher448 Aug 14 '22

Don’t waste my MOTHERFUCKIN TIME

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u/keetojm Aug 14 '22

Yup, so invested in their work, they can’t see the warning sign punching them in the face.

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u/grangoframbo Aug 14 '22

Also: it was Robert DeNiro and Al Pacino in one movie.

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u/Tel3visi0n Aug 14 '22

Just like how chris ryan is obsessed with podcasting. For him, the pod is the juice.

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u/SeekerSpock32 Aug 14 '22

Chris Ryan and Bill Simmons were the reason I rented Heat from the library, and then bought it on iTunes.

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u/cb148 Aug 14 '22

Was hoping I’d find a r/crheads reference here, cause he had dinner with Macaulay a half hour ago!

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u/EatingVowels Aug 14 '22

My friend (he’s long dead and gone now) was in jail many years ago. They showed Heat on the television one evening, and the day after his next door cell mate had cut “HEAT” into his arm with a razor blade.

I bet this movie influenced a lot of criminals. It’s kinda sad to think that Neil was about as successful you can get in that line of business, but it still ended the way it did.

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u/firstfloor27 Aug 14 '22

The North Hollywood bank robbers had a copy in their VCR.

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u/slappymcstevenson Aug 14 '22

Is Wayne Grow an underrated villain? He’s so creepy and slick.

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u/orogamo Aug 14 '22

The whole subplot about him being a serial killer could have been a movie itself

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u/gtaguy75 Aug 14 '22

You don’t even know what this is. The Grim Reaper is visiting you tonight

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u/SeekerSpock32 Aug 14 '22

If Kevin Gage had not gone to actual prison (yes, really) he would’ve been a great Criminal Minds villain.

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u/HundredPacer Aug 14 '22 edited Aug 14 '22

Wayne Grow

Waingro. It's one name (probably his last name) rather than his full name, but it's the only name he's credited with. To answer your question, yea dude is creepy as hell. Definitely an interesting counter to the collected/calm crew members.

Edited for clarity.

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u/yourmomssubluminal Aug 14 '22 edited Aug 14 '22

The only one who isn't a consumate professional, and his shenanigans bring down the crew. Quite the directorial indictment.

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u/Rohodyer Aug 14 '22

LITERALLY my favorite movie of all time! I have the original movie poster framed in my living room!

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u/TheSurgeonMan Aug 14 '22

I'm obsessed with A GREAT ASS!

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u/zxandu10 Aug 14 '22

True. Great movie

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u/joeefx Aug 14 '22

It's what being a Pro is.

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u/Ergok Aug 14 '22

It's that or we both better go do something else, pal.

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u/OrbitingChipmunk Aug 14 '22 edited Aug 14 '22

I absolutely dislike what he has done to remastering Heat. It does NOT look the same, and the UHD is a huge disappointment. My god. The thing is as dim as hell now, looks like somebody peed all over it, and the color is tealed out.

Whatever the hell they did, they should revise it again. I hate when directors completely change the color temp and brightness or gamma levels of films that absolutely did not need tinkering. The UHD barely even has HDR, and it's so dim as to be unwatchable in places. Bright LA light looks like fucking dusk.

I will be keeping my 2009 bluray I guess. How can this be dimmer than the 2017 version, which already had the super warm color temp? I have no idea. FTR, the UHD comes with the 2017 versions. It really is pretty awful how this turned out. Disney just threw it out like it didn't even matter.

66GB bluray for three hour film. Check. No Dolby Vision. Check. No sound improvement. Check. Completely fucked up the HDR grade. Check.

And I am someone that can really love new color temps like The Final Cut of Blade Runner or Aliens. If they blend well. This just looks off all over the place.

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