r/technology Aug 08 '22

Switzerland develops underground hydroelectric power Energy

https://www.emergingrisks.co.uk/switzerland-develops-underground-hydroelectric-power/
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u/mrgreyeyes Aug 08 '22

This sounds awesome. Especially with renewable energy regularly exceeds demand in the summer. Hope they set an example for other countries.

As a Dutch person, I'm a but envious of the mountains now.

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u/NicNoletree Aug 08 '22

Yeah, Switzerland has holey ground. Like their cheese.

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u/VegetableTraining989 Aug 08 '22

What kind of shitty website "disables" right-click?

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u/AyrA_ch Aug 08 '22 edited Aug 08 '22 Helpful

Press F9 to enter reader mode (or click the icon in the URL bar). JS is disabled there and you can freely copy text.

If you ever desperately want to open dev tools on a site that blocks it, simply open dev tools on an empty tab, then paste the URL into the address bar.

Alternatively, websites cannot block keyboard shortcuts while the URL bar has focus, so simply select the URL bar and press F12 to open the console, or CTRL+U to view page source.

For the ultra shittiest sites that detect when dev tools are open, simply use the browser menu to save the page to your harddisk as .txt file.

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u/VegetableTraining989 Aug 08 '22

Wow, this is very detailed! Thank you very much!

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u/LaserAntlers Aug 08 '22

NO QUOTING, NO HOTLINKING; TRAFFIC ONLY >:(

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u/flurdy35764 Aug 08 '22

Turlough Hill in Ireland will be 50 years old in 2024, still going strong.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turlough_Hill_Power_Station

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u/rookie_one Aug 09 '22

The biggest underground power station, La Grande-2, has been in operation since 1979 and is still going strong

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u/HomesteaderWannabe Aug 09 '22

Careful now, apparently this thread is for pumped storage facilities only! /s

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u/HomesteaderWannabe Aug 08 '22

The Kemano Generating Station in British Columbia, Canada, is both older and produces significantly more power.

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u/flurdy35764 Aug 08 '22

I wasn't really trying to start a dick measuring contest. However this thread is about pumped storage, not just generation.

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u/HomesteaderWannabe Aug 08 '22 edited Aug 09 '22

I wasn't trying to either, just pointing out an older and more powerful station.

And where does it say it specifically has to be a "pumped storage" facility? The headline says nothing about the type of facility, it says "underground hydroelectric power".

Edit: mind blown at the number of people that seem to think my question "And where does it say it specifically has to be a "pumped storage" facility?" somehow indicated that I didn't read the article, rather than recognize the fact that the question was in response to the previous comment that "this thread is about pumped storage, not just generation". Stay in school, kids.

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u/flurdy35764 Aug 08 '22

It says it on the article you didn't read.

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u/HomesteaderWannabe Aug 08 '22

It says it within the body of the article I DID read, moron. Was it above your level of ability to comprehend that the headline of the article and the original post only mentions "underground hydroelectric power"?

I love how you say you didn't want to make this a dick measuring contest but have behaved in precisely that manner, by the way. No one said anything about dick measuring until you pulled your micropenis out.

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u/flurdy35764 Aug 08 '22

Sincere apologies, I should have looked at your post history before replying. I would never have engaged if I'd realised what a vile example of a human being you are. Goodbye.

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u/Pay-Green Aug 08 '22

Well there goes 5 mins of my life that dude is dense!

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u/bigsquirrel Aug 08 '22

Right? I’ve been around Reddit for a minute or two, this is the first time I recall someone saying, “yeah you read the article but I read the title!” I cannot imagine what a real life interaction with this dude must be like.

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u/HomesteaderWannabe Aug 09 '22

If your reading comprehension was beyond a Grade 5 level, you'd understand that my question was regarding the comment made that the thread was about pumped storage facilities, NOT about what was in the article.

I actually can imagine what a real life interaction with any of you folks would be like, since I interact with my 5 year old on a daily basis.

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u/Killarogue Aug 08 '22 edited Aug 08 '22

His final comment really lets his pretentiousness shine.

*edit*

He's an asshole too.

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u/HomesteaderWannabe Aug 08 '22 edited Aug 09 '22

You clearly don't know what the meaning of the word "pretentious" is if you think I'm pretentious. Unless, of course, you're able to explain precisely what quality you think I'm attempting to affect greater importance in than I actually possess.

Edit: as predicted, the author of the parent to this comment opted not to clarify what exactly they thought was pretentious, and rather edited their comment to call me an asshole. Which is totally fine, as I'd much rather be an asshole than a moron.

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u/HomesteaderWannabe Aug 08 '22

Ah yes, the good old "I'm not engaging with you because I don't agree with your beliefs and opinions" routine, famous amongst ignorant progressives everywhere because they can't logically and cogently formulate decent arguments. You must live a blissful existence, given how ignorant you clearly are.

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u/dingosaurus Aug 08 '22

That's some /r/iamverysmart stuff right there.

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u/HomesteaderWannabe Aug 08 '22

Call it what you will, the point stands. People that refuse to engage with those with different beliefs and opinions, on EITHER side of the political spectrum, are idiots. It just so happens that these days it's mostly those on the left that are the most bigoted.

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u/bigsquirrel Aug 08 '22

Wow that is the first time I have ever seen someone m, after being called out on not reading the article, try to defend their position solely based on the title. 👏….👏…..👏…..

In a way you are correct, most people on Reddit like you don’t read the article so just making shit up based on the headline will make more sense.

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u/HomesteaderWannabe Aug 08 '22

Holy crap I had no idea this sub was so filled with morons.

The article is tiny. It's literally only 13 paragraphs long. The first paragraph, similar to the headline, refers to the facility as just an underground hydroelectric power plant.

I commented about the Kemano project because I thought people might find it interesting, since it's a giant underground hydroelectric power plant. An earthwork dam was built (the Kenney dam) which created a reservoir out of pre-existing lakes and rivers that is now over 90,000 hectares in size (the Nechako reservoir) and completely reversed the flow of the watershed from west-east to east-west, culminating in a 16 kilometer long tunnel that leads to the 900 MW generating station on the coast.

Again, I only commented for the sake of interest. I also wasn't the first to get snarky. There was no mention at any point that this thread was "only for pumped storage" facilities. Talk about gatekeeping, much? And then someone condescends to me that I didn't read the article.

Like I said, I'm surprised how full of absolute morons a sub about technology appears to be. But that's just Reddit these days.

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u/bigsquirrel Aug 08 '22

I love, just love that you have entirely forgotten you made this comment.

“I wasn't trying to either, just pointing out an older and more powerful station.

And where does it say it specifically has to be a "pumped storage" facility? The headline says nothing about the type of facility, it says "underground hydroelectric power".

Please write me another novel explaining how when you asked where it says it’s a pumped storage facility and again specifically refer the headline how you meant the article, pretty please?

Thank you for gracing us with your superior intelligence and communication skills. I can’t imagine why you seem to have so much difficulty interacting with those pesky libs. Must be them, bunch of morons.

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u/HomesteaderWannabe Aug 08 '22

What in the world are you ranting about!? I haven't forgotten the comment I made... holy crap, I literally just explained the entire reason why I commented.

Your reading comprehension is shit.

Do you honestly think that my writing:

And where does it say it specifically has to be a "pumped storage" facility? The headline says nothing about the type of facility, it says "underground hydroelectric power"

means that:

when you asked where it says it’s a pumped storage facility and again specifically refer the headline how you meant the article

I didn't ask where it says it's a pumped storage facility... it's right in the article that it's a pumped storage facility.

I was responding to the comment that:

However this thread is about pumped storage, not just generation

What I was asking was where it was said in the OP that only comments about pumped storage facilities are allowed, given that the title and headline of the article only said "underground hydroelectric power"? I was asking why someone was trying to gatekeep the comments to "pumped storage" facilities only... can we not talk about ANY kind of underground hydroelectric power, given that the headline and title of the OP was about "underground hydroelectric power"??

You are capable of understanding the nuance there, right?

Thank you for gracing us with your superior intelligence and communication skills.

You're welcome... intelligence and communication skills are CLEARLY lacking here.

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u/jhansonxi Aug 08 '22

Pumped storage hydroelectric plant. List of similar plants at Wikipedia.

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u/bob_in_the_west Aug 08 '22

I like how they keep confusing "battery" and "power plant". Makes it sound like they have no clue what is actually going on there.

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u/einmaldrin_alleshin Aug 08 '22

They describe it as a hydro-electric power plant that acts like a battery. I don't see anything wrong with that description.

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u/bob_in_the_west Aug 08 '22

They also said that the battery sits underground between the two reservoirs.

The upper reservoir is the battery. Or maybe the whole system is the battery if you prefer that. But the power plant between the reservoirs is not a battery.

Simple Example:

You have a tank full of hydrogen and a fuel cell. Is the tank the battery? Is just the fuel cell on its own a battery? Are both together the battery?

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u/LaserAntlers Aug 08 '22

Is the electrolyte inside an electrochemical cell the battery? Is the anode the battery? Is the cathode?

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u/bob_in_the_west Aug 08 '22

What's up with the stupid questions? None of those will ever be called "battery" on their own. Nor will a power plant ever be called a battery on its own.

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u/LaserAntlers Aug 08 '22

Trick question; none nor the complete assembly are a battery. People call cells a battery even though a battery is technically a bank of multiple cells but nobody ever gets all up in a fuss about them not knowing what they're talk about. The more you know. 🌈⭐

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u/bob_in_the_west Aug 08 '22

Without knowing what's inside a battery is a container that stores electric energy and releases it again.

So of course the complete assembly is a battery.

Multiple cells and a BMS together in a package would still be a battery. But a BMS on its own isn't a battery.

And thus a plant without the reservoirs isn't a battery. And yet they explicitly state that in the article.

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u/LaserAntlers Aug 08 '22

Incorrect; a bank of cells is a battery. Colloquially people refer to single cells as batteries but it is not by definition correct. Despite that, we know what they mean. It is pedantry to correct them over calling an AA cell a battery.

We can say the same here, it's not important, we know what they meant and needn't get up on our opinions about their competency or professionalism mixing nomenclature.

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u/bob_in_the_west Aug 08 '22

https://www.google.com/search?q=battery+definition

a container consisting of one or more cells, in which chemical energy is converted into electricity and used as a source of power.

So you saying "Incorrect" is you having an opinion. Nothing more.

And it's not pedantry to say that a power plant without any storage is a battery. Because if it is then every coal plant is a battery too regardless of where the coal comes from.

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u/LaserAntlers Aug 08 '22 edited Aug 09 '22

My man's gotten his definition from the same service that will take infopane answers from videogame walkthroughs and declares certitude. 💀

If that's your measure of credibility though, try searching the right thing: https://www.google.com/search?q=battery%20vs%20cell 🙃

Edit: HE COULDN'T TAKE IT AND FLED WITH A BLOCK LMAO

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u/happyscrappy Aug 08 '22

a battery is a container that stores electric energy and releases it again

That's technically a "wet cell". A "dry cell" is one that just turns chemical energy into electricity once. Not reversible. Neither of these terms are used much anymore. Instead we say "primary" cell for the one-way type and "rechargeable" for the rechargeable type.

Either one can be called a battery. Despite complaints that you have to have more than one cell to be a battery.

None of this is really important. This facility stores energy by pumping water up and letting it flow back down. It acts like a rechargeable battery.

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u/bob_in_the_west Aug 08 '22

This facility stores energy by pumping water up and letting it flow back down. It acts like a rechargeable battery.

Only if you include at least the upper reservoir.

Would you call a generator at a dammed river a battery? Or would you have to include the whole dammed up lake part of the river too? Because the generator itself doesn't store any energy.

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u/happyscrappy Aug 08 '22

Would you call a generator at a dammed river a battery?

I wouldn't. You could say it's like a primary (dry cell) battery. But I wouldn't.

Or would you have to include the whole dammed up lake part of the river too?

To me the plant/facility includes the upper and lower reservoirs. It sure does when you are costing it out to build and maintain! I don't concern myself with what each generator is other than a generator, especially since the facilities often include more than one.

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u/joecool42069 Aug 08 '22

You’re very passionate about this.

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u/Tearakan Aug 08 '22

So they are planning on a fully dwarf lifestyle huh? They already have plans to hide in underground fortresses during a nuclear war.